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It is normally people who work for them who come on here like you and make a nuisance for a while.

off on a tangent my first post in here was 26 april 2005, do i get a long service medal :roll:

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the sensible majority wrote:
Use as much fuel.


This guy is a total numpty!

Still, it is fun reading his/her posts!


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As some-one who belives in saving the planet I think this idea of more bikes looks good,
However I personally do need a car for work, as I sometimes carry people.
I thought that bikes were not that good on fuel, somthing to do with two stroke engines been innifficient?? but thats probably me been ignorant/old fashioned!
maybe higher road taxes for cars should continue and the silly cars road taxed out of existance, and a sensible or no road tax for bikes.

Im not anai car but anti silly big cars such as the Chelsea tractors, and vasstly overpowered cars, anything to save the planet for my children.


OK I understand your point of view but please do more research.

Now I make the following point as somene who has used a m/bike for over 100k bussiness miles in the last 4 years and has driven my car for less than 10k in the same time.

Not all big cars are bad for the economy firstly fuel economy, a big well maintained modern car is probably better than a poorly maintained little car. Then there is emissions, Cars produce hardly any of the greenhouse gasses the propoganda that you have sucked in is given to you by the governments who find it easier to remove your ability to travel than to take on the multi nationals who ar the real cause of the problem.

What is needed for the sake of the planet is alternative fuel research that recognises that people will need cars and the world can not be saved by stopping people using them.

Alternative fuel technologies are not government funded they are industry funded, the funds come from the people who make cars who know that they will not exist in a few years if they don't.

Stopping people buying cars will stop this research.

Glas you liked my bike argument by the way. I switched from my Jag to the bike 5 years ago, in that time I have done just ove 100k business miles in all weathers, I have not paid congestion charging since it was introduced, parking for all of that time and can accurately predict what time I must leave to get to meetings.

My bike is worth today more than I paid for it 5 years ago ( I buy second hand and maintain well) I have done all my own servicing and maintenance. My tyres need changing more frequently but cost a third of the price.

Above all I have a smile on my face every day. :D

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off on a tangent my first post in here was 26 april 2005, do i get a long service medal :roll:


Actually you do, I remember when you first posted and recall thinking here we go again but you have actually been a really good contributor here. You've taken a hell of a lot of stick (I guess you knew you would) but actually give good information and reasoned discussion.

After all a onesided discussion is ... well boring and pointless, a bit like new labour 8-)

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No i'm not in a job related to road safety just a safe driver.
I came to the forum after seeing pauls comments to the press re: the £1000000 camera.

No I think the goverments got it all wrong, you have to prove that you need a camera and the fact that people speed along the road isnt enough, I would have cameras every where, the sorts of driving witnessed everyday need thousands more people reciving bans from driving.

I did wonder what kind of morons complained about cameras sited to save lives and what idiots belive they are wrong now I know

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The problem is, they're not sited to save lives, simply to piss people off - but I expect you know that and are just causing trouble deliberately.

Oh, and cameras haven't actually saved any lives. If you'd care to do some research you'd find our fatality rate has flattened off tremendously since speed cameras were introduced.


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No I think the goverments got it all wrong, you have to prove that you need a camera and the fact that people speed along the road isnt enough,


OK, own up....who has hacked his account :lol:

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I would have cameras every where, the sorts of driving witnessed everyday need thousands more people reciving bans from driving.


I'd bet my house that you'd be one of the first people banned, probably caught 4 times on an empty former NSL, 30mph straight road from 800ft with an LTI2020 mobile camera, at 35mph. ;)

Oh well, I'm sure you'd say "fair game" to losing your job, your income, possibly your house, like thousands of others in that situation probably haven't.


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No i'm not in a job related to road safety just a safe driver.
I came to the forum after seeing pauls comments to the press re: the £1000000 camera.

No I think the goverments got it all wrong, you have to prove that you need a camera and the fact that people speed along the road isnt enough, I would have cameras every where, the sorts of driving witnessed everyday need thousands more people reciving bans from driving.

I did wonder what kind of morons complained about cameras sited to save lives and what idiots belive they are wrong now I know


Actually if cameras really did save lives, I'd be in the front line cheering for them, it's just that has not been the experience in this country over the ten or so years they have been here.

As many people are dieing today as did before, despite better engineering in cars to make them safer, this means that there are more bad accidents than there was.

It's a pretty easy thing to do but when youlook that the most activ safety camera regions have seen the biggest decrease in traffic police and also generally the worst performance on traffic accidents then a correlation is all too easily drawn.

Cameras do not detect "bad driving" as you describe they detect speeding, but speeding is a very small part of the problem, in fact the Governments own departments have judged thios to be in the region of 5% of serious accidents.

What about the other 95%?

I am here because road safety is a primary importance for me and I'll share why:

When I was 5 years old I watched my sister die on the road, she was 18 moths old and run over by an ice cream van that was reversing.

When I was 16 years old I refused to go with a group of friends who Twoced there parents car, one died

When I was 20 years old I lost two friends in Drink driving accidents

Whilst serving as an accident investigator with the Royal Military Police I investigated countless fatal accidents, most of these involved drivers falling asleep (the army does push its soldiers too far) but other ntable included a heart attack, drink, drugs (yes even in the army) and suicide.

I attended one accident where two soldiers died which was directly attributable to speed, They were on an Autobahn their speed was eventually calculated (wreckage etc) as in the region of 130 mph and they were doing it in fog, they hit the rear of a lorry that was travelling at the speed any sensible person would have been. I helped the pathologist pick the bits of skull out of the mush that was their brains.

Since then I have buried (literally at a recent muslim funeral) around a dozen biker friends not a single one of whom was speeding or riding recklessly when they were killed in Smidsy accidents by "safe drivers".

If the loss of the traffic police is the by product of safety cameras th I choose the former not the latter. Not because I am some speed crazed freak but because I have kids and I want the roads to be as safe as they can be for them and cameras are not the answer.

By the way I give you another three days. By then you'll be bored, you'll move on to your next soap box and we'll never see you again as you will never give another thought to cameras, road safety or this site. Meanwhile we will still be campaigning; for a real debate, for a true study as to the effectiveness of cameras, for a return to real policemen on the streets, for greater education, training, for responsibility for accidents to be recognised, for pedestrian jaywalking laws, generally we will still be the voice of "the sensible majority" who actually in thir hearts know that the Government is on the wrong track and that something has to be done. :soapbox:

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Ya know something Patch, much as I despise the old bill (and you can't blame me after some of the shit I have seen), I'd welcome them back on the streets with open arms tomorrow over a camera if it were possible to guarantee they all had that attitude.

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the sensible majority wrote:
What are motor bikes useful for, are they forms of transport or just toys


When I drive to work I get 34mpg and it takes 1hour 20 minutes. When I ride it takes 45 mins and I get 50 mpg................you do the maths.

My wife has a bike which does 100mpg agains her car at 36. So where did you get your figures from. Her car is a two seater and her bike can carry a passenger so there you go.

50% of all motorcycles sold in the UK are less than 125cc and therefore have a fuell consumtion of more than 100mpg. The vast majority of those can carry passengers.

Sounds like you have been victim to some dodgy eco-bollocks statistics.

If you have never ridden a motorcycle you will never know what the attraction is....its as simple as that. Try having a go, you may be hooked for life!

Next month I have got a coast-coast ride in the US. 3500 miles across 11states in 10 days. This has to be done by bike not a car. There is just no comparison... :D

BTW you cannot "save the planet". you cannot even "prevent climate change". I think you need a reality check. Try thinking for yourself for a change you may be surprised how much you have been misled by the media... :wink:

check out..http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4923504.stm

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I did wonder what kind of morons complained about cameras sited to save lives and what idiots belive they are wrong now I know


Yes, morons that use commas.


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As some-one who belives in saving the planet


But not enough to turn your computer off and go do something less energy wasting?

Fact: Electricity generation produces more pollution in the UK than cars do.


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Im not anai car but anti silly big cars such as the Chelsea tractors, and vasstly overpowered cars, anything to save the planet for my children.

I guess I'm a bit of a "greenie" myself, not in the extreme way though :)
I have been thinking, even if all the vechiles in the UK were removed from the road the total reduction of polution worldwide would probably hardly be affected... you should see the large vans and trucks they drive around in in america! 12mpg is supposed to be good! :shock:

I'm currently in sunny Florida and I'm warm so :P
And talking of Florida, so much sun, but the only electrical solar panels I've seen are for roadside adverts :roll:

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I came to the forum after seeing pauls comments to the press re: the £1000000 camera.

Have you been there? Have you seen the skid marks? :shock:
I'm supprised nobody has braked hard and ended up knocking it over!

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but the skid marks are only there because people were ignoring the speed limit, the skid marks prove that the cameras slow people down, answere must be more cameras more prosecutions, more bans safer roads.

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but the skid marks are only there because people were ignoring the speed limit,

No they are not, the skid marks are there because people don't want a £60 fine. People brake for camera's even when they are not exceeding the posted limit.
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Wrong!

Most disqualified drivers don't care about being disqualified, they will drive regardless of what a court says.

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answere must be more cameras more prosecutions, more bans safer roads.


Wrong again - road safety would not be improved with more bans - it would be improved with banning those who drive dangerously and inconsiderately. Speed cameras do not, cannot and wil not ever achieve this as they only detect one thing - SPEED.


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but the skid marks are only there because people were ignoring the speed limit, the skid marks prove that the cameras slow people down, answere must be more cameras more prosecutions, more bans safer roads.


I can see how you reach this conclusion, and anyone here will acknowledge that some people do go faster than the posted limit and then jam the anchors on when they see a speed camera - we've all seen that happen - but it's true that most people brake for cameras, often dangerously, even when they're at or under the limit. I set my truck's cruise control to 40 in motorway roadworks limits (or 50) so I know I'm going no faster, yet I regularly have to slow to 30 or even slower whenever there's some imbecile in a car who has no idea what speed s/he is going and brakes every time there's a camera. Not safe.


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answere must be more cameras more prosecutions, more bans safer roads.


Please explain how speed cameras catch the uninsured / unlicensed / drunk / drugged / banned who are not speeding but not driving either legally, or safely. Their cars may not even be in their name :roll:


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they wont they only find speeders stik to the limit and you will have no difficulties

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