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Which part of the original ist confusing that he did it deliberately und repeatedly?

This ist what it says in the text




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Simple bog standard dumbed down National Curriculum Test Question.



1. Where was it foggy?

2. What did he do on the return?

3. Which clause tell you that ist an offence to drive with fog lamp on when fog clear?

4. Why did this upset the driver?

5. What clause tell the reader why he think not fair?

6. Which bit tell the reader it was oversight und not repeated deliberate use of fog light?


7. In the second papagraph - did the driver once drive with a fog lamp in the past und receive warning in the past or was warning at time of offence und he had "attitude" problem?




8. Which bit of someone post tell Wildy Cat that this kitten need more English lessons than she does

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Above ist not to condone ...ist to be "cheeky und have a bit of a leg pull "

Seriously .. can see if foggy enough to warrant the light .. can see oversight occurring when into clear weather. You see this over und over when driving in the hills und in the Alps. You flash your lights und give a friendly little toot accompanied with a smile not a coffee bean sign or a und it usually work for most folk.

If deliberate .. some fixation with these lights .. then ist very different. That warrant bigger fine than £30

If as someone say - ickky switch und und this is not detectable under POWER as mos cars need headlamps to be on before fogs light up.. - then ist to investigate why everyine flash you.

We use RA in one of the Classics we own not because it bleep at speed cam.. but this car ... the speedo itself

We drive around before we discover this gadget. Speedo on 30 mph und everyone flash.

Naturally We think ist because ist most car.

Nein .. this little beauty (und we did think it was a bit of an odd 30 mph ) was only doing 23 mph when speedo on 30 mph.

We got replacement speedo .. from where Moggies were still in production until last decade .. in INDIA! But this was no better.

So - we use the RA to check his speed .. (My cars are always HE-MEN und Mad Doc calls his - "his harem" ..

.. would you not like to be a mouse in our house ... )

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Nicht ganz im Lot!
Ich setze mich immer wieder in die Nesseln! Der Mad Doc ist mein Mann! Und ich benutzte seinen PC!

UND OUR SMILEYS? Smile ... und the the world smiles with you.
Smiley guy seen when you read
Fine me for Safe Speed
(& other good causes..)

Greatest love & Greatest Achievements Require Greatest Risk
But if you lose the driving plan - don't lose the COAST lesson.
Me?
Je ne regrette rien!

Und back to topic as I got side tracked by the Moggie...

Perhaps Community Service would have been much more fitting for this crime.

I do not really see how justice served to society by issuing over harsh punishment ....

Especially when yobs who really do pose a very grave danger to society are simply told to sit at back of court with arms folded und if they keep silent throughout rest of the court's business .. they let off completely...

Und then there was the bloke with 30 drink drive convictions... let off because he had to care for his Mum... who he drives around whilst banned und whilst drunk und gets caught 30 times (last year's tabloids... about March 2005.)

Und then wonder why we have zero faith in Criminal Justice Systems as they are at the moment.

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UND OUR SMILEYS? Smile ... und the the world smiles with you.
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Fine me for Safe Speed
(& other good causes..)

Greatest love & Greatest Achievements Require Greatest Risk
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Me?
Je ne regrette rien!

I dont know what it is like where you all live, but in southampton and portsmouth you hardly ever see mist, let alone fog. but go 10 min away to the South Downs or New Forest and thier are regular hollows.

It might be that some "Towny" coopper dosen't understand the world. Or a gobby Portsmouth taxi driver talked his way into a ticket, afine, a non payment of a fine and a 5 day prison sentence.

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This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

Except he wont because they've all been let out. I guess there's plenty of space and it saves having to lay off prison staff.


Seriously though if he'd had a quiet warning (as people, myself included, think is the correct thing for the police to do) after a previous infringement and then done it again then I have no problem with it escalating to a non-endorsible £30 fixed penalty.

Since he chose not to pay that, it will have gone to court for enforcement as a £45 fine. This is clearly explained in big bold letters on every NTO I've seen (NTO = Notice To Owner [about the fixed penalty]). If he then doesn't turn up to court or refuses to pay then whilst this is a little harsh it's hardly suprising, especially in the country that puts pensioners away for not paying their council tax. Personally I would have recommended community service.

At the end of the day he could have just pulled the chavs favourite "I can only afford a pound a week" and repaid the fine interest free over 45 weeks.


I agree that some vehicles are terrible for fog lights. My old Escort used a momentary switch that was electronically latched to make it into a toggle. Not a problem except that the state is somehow remembered the next time you turn the car on and you can only see the LED which is inside the switch when there is precise alignment between the LED, the hole it sits in, your eye, mars, the moon and uranus.

Newer VWs have it almost right. You pull the headlight switch out to switch the fogs on, which is impossible when the lights are off. Switching the lights off also knocks the switch back in, therefore unless you leave your lights on regularly your fogs must be switched off at the end of the journey. It's just a shame that one pull does the front fogs and pulling further does front and rear. This is dumb as you are far more likely to need the rear fogs than the front and if you actually need the front you almost definately need the rear. I suppose if it wasn't that way around though, all the front fogs in daylight idiots would be driving around with their rears on all day as well.

Oh - another one who tried to mess with the system - commit a serious crime - you'll get a brief to stand up and say "m'lud, comes from etc/etc" comit a car related crime , offend the system ( stick 2 fingers up at a scam van and ther's a hole waiting for you.

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Well that is the problem with the magistrates system.

IIRC it's unpaid and run by volunteers, so the kind of people you get are often the annoying neighbour who likes to stick their noses into people's business and report you to the council if you put your wheelie bin out a day early.

So if you go there and piss off the magistrate you'll get a harsher punishment than a more serious offence who turns up and is compliant.

You can always invoke your right to trial by jury if you don't like the decision, or has Tony managed to remove that one yet?

I thought that they were trying to remove the right to trial at all for motoring and other similar offences - as we are automatically guilty there is no point wasting courts time on these cases. A quick search found an old BBC News article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1588246.stm

What an excellent idea - not beyond the wit of man, surely? "We have the technology..."

Mind you, most of the unneccessary use of fog lights I encounter is by boy racers in chavved-up cars....


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trouble with anything like this is you don't know from news reports what happened at the roadside, I've been pulled over several times, most recently for not having a front number plate, but find a little yes officer no officer I'll address it right away officer usually gets you on your way again.

IME it seems those that want to be heros and argue the point are most likely to be slapped with a fine for their efforts.

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