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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2006 23:02 
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I come of the M42 at juction 3 to get on to the A435

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Come off the motorway and start to go around the round about, in front a red vaxhall astra estate. He is going the same way as me.
Just as we are coming of the roundabout he is in L1 and I in L2.We come onto the duel carraige way. The is a HGV in front in L1. just as I am over half way past his car (am I in his blind spot?). He starts to pull out towards my front near side wing. I beep my horn (see they are usefull, Thumbs_Down :D ). My offside wheels hit the kerb in the central reservation. Luckly the kerb was quite low so me 17'' alloys don't get damaged :D :D. He pulls back in :) . I get past him and look in my mirror. He has only one working head light. :o I think thank god they are punshing those dangerous firemen
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Firstly, well done on doing the right things given the starting point of being partially alongside ans the car coming out on you.

Secondly, even though the kerb was low, if you hit it at any sort of speed, I'd strongly recommend getting the tyre checked over for damage and the tracking checked out at your earliest convenience.

Thirdly, what to learn:

* Was the closing gap between the Astra and the HGV such that the likelihood of this happening could with hindsight have been predictable?

* Could you have usefully, early on, ducked in behind half of the Astra (ie straddled the dotted line between L1 & L2) with a view to letting the Astra know you were there and prepared to let him go? ... and if he didn't you could have then gone with a greater degree of certainty of him having clocked you?


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Ah, one of my favourite junctions.... Not. I have often used this one, from the M42 N (i.e. east bound at this point), and I use Forshaw Heath Road (FHR) - as do many others as the new M42 "improvements" mean stationary traffic back to J2. I would say the Ree.t was lucky to be able to go left at all from L2!

Let me explain. The slip road off the M42 used to split into 3 lanes at the roundabout, but as part of a set of "improvements" they added traffic lights to the roundabout, and reduced the 3 down to 2. Now I don't have a problem with the lights as the traffic approaches from high speed from all directions (except FHR), and 40 mph+ was common.

With 3 lanes it was relatively clear where people were going even when not indicating: L1 means A435N, L2 means A435N or FHR, and L3 means A435S. Now with two lanes and no other instructions I have assumed that L2 means FHR and A435S with L1 A435N - when you look at the map it is effectively a DC left and a DC around the roundabout, so I think Left means Left, Right means Right.

Unfortunately I appear to be in a minority, as significant number of other people pretend the A435N doesn't exist, so they use L1 when meaning FHR. As you have to be in the left lane on the roundabout to take FHR this means both L1 and L2 trying to get into a single lane, and both thinking that they have priority - if there are two or three in L1 and they move together it is impossible to get into the left lane and coupled with the daily queues on the M42 tempers get frayed. I have been involved in a verbal shouting match with other drivers about it, and they are convinced that L1 with no indicators obviously means FHR while L2 means A435S.

This is a primarily a consequence of the change from 3 to 2 lanes and an absence of signs or other guidance. FHR is a small country road, and doesn't really feature on any of the approach signs, so another consequence is that HGVs commonly take FHR rather than the M42N! And then want to turn around on a road that isn't designed for it. One space has been blocked as the house fence was demolished weekly, so they now use the junction slightly further up to do a 3 point turn, but even that isn't easy and the ground just off the road is typically soggy. It is tricky getting by when the cab unit has grounded itself in the mud with the wagon directly across the junction!

Anyway back to the point - I suggest that Ree.t doesn't use L2 to go North because my experience is that even if they are indicating left (may still be
from leaving the motorway) they are quite likely to be going straight on into FHR.

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I echo Roger's advice.

This was an excellent time to use the horn. It really does 'stop them coming'.

And yes, it does sound like a blind spot incident.

Also, I'd suggest that this was not a good place to overtake. (Yes it is still overtaking on a dual carriageway.) When everyone is changing speed, then lane changes are likely. It's MUCH better to hang back for a few seconds until there's a 'stability' about speeds, positions and lanes.

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SafeSpeed wrote:
It's MUCH better to hang back for a few seconds until there's a 'stability' about speeds, positions and lanes.


agreed. when i am overtaking HGVs in my car, i always look to see if they have any reaon to pull out and hang back until im sure i can nip past in one go. i dont like being stuck next to one so i will let anything in my lane clear the truck first

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Thanks for the adivce roger et al.
Have checked wheels and tyres they are fine :) :) :) :)

The near miss happend about 15 mintues before I posted a little shaken I was.

Just to explain. I was going west bound on the M42.
This guy is in front of me. We both go into L2 A435 N (which is right.)
Go through first set of lights (green) follow the road round. Next set of lights he still infront. He drifts over to L1 (marked A435 N).I stay in L2 also marked A435 N. I am just behind him as we join the carriageway.

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Ree.t - sorry I assumed that you were going East on the M42, you didn't say - obviously L2 is the correct position to be in if you are going West. I can only assume that the other driver just assumed that you were not going his way (which is a very bad assumption to make as all the evidence was that you were), and also didn't bother to look. Rogers advice is correct.


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Rewolf wrote:
I can only assume that the other driver just assumed that you were not going his way (which is a very bad assumption to make as all the evidence was that you were), and also didn't bother to look.


:D It was probbally that orange flashing light on the left side of my car that put him off :o :D

I reallly don't think he knew I was there, even though I came off the motorway at the same time.

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