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Soon after midnight this evening (i.e. in the very early morning of 10th June 2006)

Some amazing revelations about the behaviour of camera partnership staff. REALLY. Don't miss it.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

Paul you did an excelent presentation.

What a wonderful article and what a load of hypocrites the police are when their camera vans and the head of the Camera Safety Partnership are caught speeding themselves.

For the benefit of others could you please do a résumé of what this was all about.

I hope we get to see the videos taken of them on television.

Damn, I was just a bit too late - missed it!

It there anyway you could publish a transcript?

how sad am i listening to this,

i would like to see the video of the 7 SCP exceeding the limit

the cream of the cake was when adrian john ( i think ) his name was, said a KMSCP was parked in seven oaks zapping away at everyone who is going past, with all due respect what the feck does anyone know what is going on inside the van, with a bit of luck if KMSCP are viewing these forums thy would publish the data log of the day in question

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I didn't get enough warning to set up to record it, but the essence is as follows:

Freelance broadcaster Adrian John has caught a number of people from Kent and Medway partnership speeding. This culminated in a 4 mile follow of the top boss of the Kent partnership - he was caught on video exceeding a number of speed limits on the way to work. Adrian confronted him and asked him to explain his behaviour. He said: "You'll have to talk to our PR people."

Adrian has been working on the best way of taking the information to the public, but this evening he received a visit from two Police officers threatening him with action for harrasement.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

Didn't see your posting there, sorry mate!

17 hits and the URL may mean a few more ears, though!

I've emailed the program with some comments, but will be turning in soon (full carbs rebuild on my mate's Midget tomorrow, so need to be 'compus mentis'!)

Good to put a voice to the avatar!

Josh

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Licat volare si super tergum aquila volat...

Errm - perhaps they were very naughty boys and had a detector running to tell them when the gun was being operated....

Just a guess of course, but rocket science it ain't, mate!

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Licat volare si super tergum aquila volat...

Why exactly? (serious question - I can think of a number of possible reasons)



I didn't notice that choice of words, but I don't think it was intended too literally. Obviously, as you say, no one could actually know for sure what the operator in the van was doing.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

i feel its just a stereotype image that SCP van zaps everything that goes by,



unless it is GPS pretty useless IMO

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But GPS is for us good boys who just want to be warned that we are on a bit of the Earth near a fixed Government Taxation Device. I meant something like a K-band Super-Snooper, or similar that, in a stationary vehicle, would go 'MOBILE THEIVING GIT WARNING!' as you transmit your radar/lidar 'calibrated good-enough-for-rock-and-roll' motion detector signals. I know that these can trigger in error, but they are more reliable than equipment that sees brick walls doing 28 mph...

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Licat volare si super tergum aquila volat...

I don't think everyone thinks that - although i think most people believe they will zap any vehicle they can get £60 from!

You are not seriously suggesting SCP operators use their discretion, and only zap those who are driving dangerously - not just those over an arbitrarily set limit, are you?

It's sad that the harrassment law is being (ab)used in this way, it was predicted that it could be used in such cases, where journos, reporters and photographers would be threatened for doing their jobs.

My guess is that it is just a threat however, if it ended up in court then it would be a lot of negative publicity and they wouldn't want that. The SCP's are scared stiff of anything bad being said against them, you can see the evidence in the minutes, they actually count the number of articles and chart them according to their perception of whether it was positive/neutral/negative.

Gareth

Exactly the way I see it too. (And I don't disagree with the bit I've already snipped...)

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

So what came of this in the end? Is he going to take it further? This seems like an ideal opportunity to get some bad press for the scamera partnerships and highlight the ridiculousness of the whole situation.

It's just beginning...

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

not at all, we do not have the remit to do dangerous driving (yet)


i have only had 2 complaints against me for speeding in my van this year so far, 1 for not stopping at a stop junction, 3 for illegal parking and another 2 for driving using a phone

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..and I'm guessing that all of these were malicious?

Roger, you cynic !! Mind you if we were talking about an Essex Camera Partnership operator I would say that none were malicious

Camera Operator, long time no see, nice to see you back

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Gordon Brown saying I got the country into it's current economic mess so I'll get us out of it is the same as Bomber Harris nipping over to Dresden and offering to repair a few windows.

Chaos, panic and disorder - my work here is done.

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i dont know the 2 using a phone were actualy radio use (jacket mounted)
the one for not stopping at a stop sign and applying my handbrake looking right and left before releasing the handbrake and driving off (guilty as charged )
the 3 for illegal parking - not challenged, as all our parking areas comply with the local traffic regulations

the 2 for speeding - 25 / 30 tops in a 30, 60 on a dual, no supporting evidence

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Camera Operator, long time no see, nice to see you back

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but thats the whole point, therfore all SCP operators do is just 'zap'.

Nothing to do with Safety.