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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 20:49 
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yesterday's Bolton headline wrote:
Man dies in head-on crash horror
By Ed Chadwick

ยท Car bursts into flames
A MAN was killed and two others seriously injured when a driver lost control of his car as it was being pursued by police.
The Ford Sierra Sapphire smashed into railings and a tree before hitting a lorry head on in Dicconson Lane, Westhoughton.
As the car burst into flames, nearby residents made desperate attempts to save the men by throwing buckets of water on to the fire.
One passenger was killed instantly and the driver and another passenger were seriously injured. The men are all thought to be in their 20s.
Fire crews cut the victims from the wreckage of the car. A fourth man had freed himself before emergency services arrived. He did not require hospital treatment.
Police had tried to stop the car for "routine checks" as it was being driven along Dicconson Lane at 12.30pm yesterday. But the driver did not pull over and officers started to follow the car.
It span out of control seconds later and crashed into the lorry.
Paramedics pronounced the man dead at the scene. The driver and another passenger were taken to hospital, one by air ambulance to Wythenshawe Hospital and another to the Royal Bolton Hospital. Their injuries are not thought to be life threatening.
The driver of the lorry was taken to Wigan Royal Infirmary to be treated for shock.
Ellen Gregory, who lives close to the scene of the crash, said: "I heard the bang from our house and by the time we got outside there were people all round the car.
"One lad was out on the road and there was another man hanging from the back door."
Fire service spokesman Paul Duggan said: "We used cutting equipment to make space for our trauma technicians and paramedics to remove the casualties but we understand that one man died at the scene."
The crash has prompted fresh calls for traffic calming measures on the road, which has been the scene of a number of fatal accidents.
The matter is now being investigated by the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC).
IPCC spokesman Ian Christon, said: "Our involvement is at a very early stage.
"Two investigators were sent to the scene and a detailed investigation will now take place to determine whether there will be any further action taken.
"A post-mortem examination will be carried out and we will be taking statements from all parties involved."
The route has already been the subject of road safety campaigns including Bolton Council's 2006/07 Highways Capital Programme which highlighted the need for maintenance of road safety, pedestrian and cycling facilities on the road, and the Drivesafe project in May, 2005, which took mobile speed cameras to the stretch of road in a bid to combat the high number of deaths and speed related injuries.
Local councillor Ian Hamilton said: "More work certainly needs to be done to make this road safer. This is the second major accident in a few years and if even one serious accident happens we should pull out all the stops to see what can be done to stop accidents from occurring in the future."
Westhoughton councillor David Wilkinson added: "There have been numerous near-collisions and crashes on this road. For almost a mile it's downhill, which makes it more dangerous but it's a bus route and an HGV route so it's very difficult to put traffic calming measures down."


Yep .. traffic calming .. cams .. yeah - well that will stop them stealing cars then... :roll: :banghead:

The driver was aged just FOURTEEN YEARS OLD! Per today's version on page two .. he suffered minor injuries and his mates serious injuries - the 16 year old died at the scene. :( The lad's 13 year old brother is fighting for his life in hospital. Another 17 year old is seriously injured.

A relative of the boys who live in a caravan park in Salford says the community is devastated by this tragedy.

The driver refused to stop. He hit railings and then a tree and ricocheted into the lorry. The car burst into flames and had the local residents not doused the flames with water - all would have died.

Police have referred the incident to the Police Complaints Commission.

The neighbours within the caravan community say

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They were lovely lads and their family is devastated. They have kept a bedside vigil. Everyone here is terribly upset



OK - I can accept that the community is very upset.

I have to ask though - what kind of parental discipline was in force.

As all know - have rather a lot of kids. They are feisty.. and you steer towards decency and a set of morals. You negotiate the rules - or rather you negotiate to your terms and they think they have "won" something :wink: from you. However, I try to and think I instil a firm idea of right and wrong and discipline into them.

I am aware that some kids do see Twoccing and running from police as some kind of thrill though. I honestly do not have any solutions.

But from my experience with difficult fosters.. I do know firm discipline and no pee-cee pussyfooting around a problem does work :wink:

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Let me get this right.....

It makes no mention of the drivers age in the news report, nor whether the car was nicked or not....correct?

If the car was nicked and the driver was only 14 years old....then bollocks to the lot of them!


As for the council, what fuckwit truly believes that traffic calming is going to worry an under age car thief?
What might worry the little bastards more is the prospect of a serious prison sentence instead of the caribbean holiday they are normally sent on.

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MNNNN----bit confused ---car was nicked -- "They were lovely lads" -- intimating that these "little darlings " didn't do this - so we now have jeckll and hyde teenagers. As MM says - little bit of discipline ,and a lot less parential /foster parental blindness might not go ammiss.

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Gixxer wrote:
Let me get this right.....

It makes no mention of the drivers age in the news report, nor whether the car was nicked or not....correct?

If the car was nicked and the driver was only 14 years old....then bollocks to the lot of them!


As for the council, what fuckwit truly believes that traffic calming is going to worry an under age car thief?
What might worry the little bastards more is the prospect of a serious prison sentence instead of the caribbean holiday they are normally sent on.


Link is last night's story. Thursday's press names them as just aged 14 years.

I agree that "traffic calming" is no answer. I do admit to being annoyed by the silly comments about "traffic calming". OK more than annoyed :wink: as it would not resolve anything.

If these kids were properly punished and seen to be properly punished . then perhaps we may get a message across to them.

I have a foster at the moment. He has drink problem - or should I now say he had one . I have managed to get him sober anyway.

When he came to us.. he had been released from a "young offenders" for nicking cars. We are educating him to a safer enjoyment .. so far he seems to be responding to us.

Oh - it takes time . and we have work cut out really. But still. ... he felt my discipline a few weeks ago. I still say a firm friendly discipline - and a firm hand which does not undermine nor ridicule does work.

I guess one just has to work at parenthood and I do think I get things wrong a lot too. It's like driving . you look hard at the mistake.. kick yourself and resolve to try harder and correct the error quickly and with best outcome. :wink:

Botach.. I guess to those who knew these tykes .. rose tinted glasses are being worn. Maybe the neighbours do not wish to speak ill of dead and injured and I suppose a community which will stick together too. :roll:

I agree that courts need to deal much more strongly and we need to drop the pee-cee correctness.

These lads stole a car.. drove at speeds which endangered others.. did not pull over for police . they caused severe trauma for the lorry driver and residents of Dicconson Road. I dare say if police had caught and no incident ..and courts gave a long sentence . we'd all cry :clap: :bow: GOOD CALL and WAY TO GO MAGS"

I guess it's part of the reluctance to speak ill of the dead and injured even if they caused it all. Unless of course a pedestrian or cyclist got hurt....

I can offer no solutions anyway - apart from the courts dealing with this as severely as they should do to deter . and maybe a return to good old fashioned tested and true discipline for these young tykes.

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Gixxer wrote:
As for the council, what fuckwit truly believes that traffic calming is going to worry an under age car thief?


:clap: Absolutely spot-on, Gixxer. But to these onanists it still counts as a fatal accident - so the decent majority get shafted once again.

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As for the council, what fuckwit truly believes that traffic calming is going to worry an under age car thief?


of course not. it provides them with ramps for a better thrill.

i also agree with the lack of sympathy for them. my car is essential for work ie i cant get to work without a car. if it gets nicked, having a roof over my head is facing jeapordy. car thieves should face the maximum penalty every time.

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Gixxer wrote:
As for the council, what fuckwit truly believes that traffic calming is going to worry an under age car thief?
What might worry the little bastards more is the prospect of a serious prison sentence instead of the caribbean holiday they are normally sent on.
What makes you think the council should have a (good) idea about thieves!? That's why they're council workers! I agree with your sentiments...

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I feel sorry for the Truckie - there he is going about his daily business and he gets twatted by this little bunch of guttersnipes.

If you bring kids into the world, YOU are responsible for how they turn out, no-one else. If you have the morals/lifestyle of a rodent, then so will your kids.

And they're always 'lovely', aren't they?


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I think public disgrace to the families would be an overal more positive solution than publishing "they were lovely lads".


They broke one of the 10 commandments* and thus they deserve everything they got.



* I'm not really that religious but I do think the "10 commandments" represent a half-decent baseline for a civilised life.

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