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Assuming that you're still writing fiction about me... Can I remind you Herr Doktor Goebbels, that telling a lie over and over again doesn't make it the truth and thus your "key issue" is arrant nonsense.

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I think the people we're talking about here are those who deliberately drive well below the speed limit, especially on 50 mph and NSL roads.

You can't really criticise people for adhering to the law.

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And good luck to him!

Mr BMW man was quite happy I'd stuck to the speed limit going along the 30 mph Britannia Way in Telford a few days ago. If he'd been able to carry on at the speed he'd come flying up to the arse of my car at, he'd have driven straight into the arms of the camera van waiting around the corner
He even gave me a 'phew' kind of gesture (wiped his brow) as he drew alongside me at the lights.
Pity, the jackass deserved at ticket.

because it's the law or is he trying to guarantee his license?

Does his speedo overread?


I don't think anyone suggested that all drivers are so antagonistic. Some feel the need to amble along and admire the scenery (as admitted to me last week by a colleague who also said that's when he is most prone to having an accident).

There is 'sitting at/near the speed limit which is set too low' slow and 'driving at well below the speed limit and below safe driving speeds by any stretch of reason’ slow.

Nor do I.

Pogo, on the other hand, openly confessed "it surprises me how many of
these upright citizens take it upon themselves to flash their headlights" at
him. That’s not a lie – that’s verbatim. Later, when I put him on the spot,
he claims that it does not happen much after all.

Hm… who knows how many other angry drivers don't bother to flash
their headlights? But let's be fair – there may be an explanation for the
discrepancy.

So come on, pogo, are you still surprised that many drivers show anger
with you by flashing their lights, or is it a fiction that does not happen very
often, after all? Which is it?

PS: It is a law of the Internet (PeterE knows about this) that people who
stoop to using parallels with the Nazi era are basically out of
ideas.

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Sorry, I got the wrong end of the stick there. What I meant was that I don't recall being flashed by other drivers who felt I was driving too slowly.

I have occasionally been flashed, had fists waved at me and been given one finger salutes, for overtaking the dog-in-the-manger brigade.

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Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

...and the George Monbiodegradables of this world claim that this is a "boy racers site masquerading as a road safety site".

For heaven's sake, can all you antis (no names, no pack drill) give your prejudices a day off and actually read the postings on this site.

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Save a cow - eat a vegetarian

I might be being thick, but I don't get what you're trying to say. Can you please explain?

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Don't worry Paul, I didn't get it either.

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What I actually said was:-


That it should happen at all is the thing that surprises me... There is no need for it, they are not being put to any inconvenience or danger, they are merely being affronted that someone should choose to travel at a speed higher than that ordained by them as "correct". In fact, it doesn't happen all that often, maybe once a month or twice ot three times in the "numpty months" of the school holidays etc. My original post wasn't so much to complain about this selfish and boorish behaviour so much as to speculate why they do it, on the basis that I don't get flashed at when it's obvious that I'm old... My guess is that it's more that "Mr Middle-England-Daily-Mail-Reader" is upset by what he perceives as "the excesses of yoof" rather than any actual danger.


So I'm not the only one...



As I've said above, it doesn't happen all that often, but once is too much. I've also observed it happening not infrequently to other drivers - unless of course it's "PeterE" in a variety of cars and locations and he and I are the only two in the country to engender such behaviour.


I know. I had thought of "calling Godwin" on myself but the only other person who came immediately to mind who appears openly to espouse the idea of "the big lie repeated frequently" is Tony Blair - and that's a condemnation too strong even for you.

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I think the translation is:
Some people (like TSM) think that everyone on this site is a crazed maniac intent on driving everywhere at 200mph when the reality is quite different and if they bothered to read what was written on here before starting on their rants they might actually work that out for themselves.

Ummm, er, excuse me

Ahh... Now that does make sense. I was confused because I thought we were the antis (as in anti camera etc). Ta.

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Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa
Sorry, chaps - you're quite right, I didn't make myself clear at all.

My point (which Jonsher - clever chap - has worked out) was that the various people who claim that this site is for cretinous boy racers and has nothing to do with road safety (the "antis", as I called them) obviously let their prejudices blind them. Rigpig's posting, quite rightly criticising the idiot driving the BMW ("the jackass deserved a ticket"), is a good example of the sort of sensible and responsible people who form the vast majority of contributors to the Safe Speed forum. Monbiodegradable and his like obviously never read - or at best read very selectively - the messages posted here, and certainly never let facts interfere with their bigotry.

Hope that's a liitle clearer!

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Thanks mate.

I went for a bit of a drive there this afternoon, along the coast road here in County Antrim... Boy did it take a long time... I got stuck in a queue of traffic doing 35-40 on the straights, and maybe down to 20 on the bends... I wouldn't have minded so much if it wasn't for the fact that the bends aren't really that bad, and 40mph is fine for them... And yup, there was a guy in front with some toyota with a v8 engine, and he could have annihilated my car, yet accelerating out of the corners I was going quicker than him... Now there was no way anyone could have overtaken on this particular road, it's too twisty. We then hit one of the small villages, and the people in front continued to do 40mph, I had slowed to about 30. Then when the cars in front came across a hazard, such as parked cars, they had to stop... Why on earth did they have to stop, I could continue at 30 no trouble, but these ones refused to go keep flowing.

I got rid of the cars that were holding the queue up, and about 5 minutes later along came a learner. No offence to learners, but why do their parents, etc. bring them out onto a busy national speed limit single carriageway without making sure they can at least do 45mph (the limit for learners here). This particular learner nearly stopped for every bend in the road, crawling at about 15mph... Perhaps some smaller roads would have been better suited to them?

Eventually I overtook the learner, and at that point they had just about reached 35mph on a straight. Another thing was they didn't exactly help my overtake, he/she was very close to the centre line...

Another one came along about 5 miles further along the road... Small micraesque car, it was a toyota... Top speed on the straights, 45mph, top speed round a bend that you can take at 60 safely, 25mph... She also continued to brake through the corner, as if she wasn't already going slowly enough. Couldn't overtake her, road is too twisty there. Hit a 30 limit, she continues on at 45, I slow to 30 and so do all the cars behind me. After this patch of 30 it goes up to 40 again. I caught up with her about another 5 miles after I lost her. By this point I was on a 2 laned road, and I could pass her quite easily...

Slight O/T, but I came across a sheep crossing the road, I saw it and slowed right down to about 15mph for it... And there was a crazy dog in a farmyard, I saw it bolting around in the driveway, and thought, he's gunna jump out at me, and I slowed to about 20 or 30 mph, and what did the dog do? As soon as I was beside him he started chasing after the car... I was really worried because he was really close when he darted off at the start and thought he's gunna run into my back wheel... I woulda felt kinda bad if I had hit it... I'm not the biggest dog lover, but I don't hate them either, and it would have been really bad to hit it... But, surely the dog should have been on a leash, or at least have the gates closed or something, so it can't run out into the road?

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I cant stand drivers who speed up when Im thinking about overtaking, they go nice and slow all the time then when theres a comfortable overtaking opportunity,they hit the gas.

And why do some people, get annoyed, or seem to, when i want to be travelling at 50 - 60 when they want to be doing 25 - 30. One guy used his screenwash to try and get me thinking i was too close.

I mean come on if you are not comfortable driving at a reasonable pace, then use a different road, stay away from the national speed limits. And common courtesy would tell you if you dont want to be going any faster, but the person or people behind you do, then pull over and let them past.

wheres a blue flag when you want one.

I've said this before, but...

I love the turbo diesel drivers (usually VW Passats) that speed up when my overtaking chance comes along, oh-so-subtly accompanied by a big black cloud of smoke

But the Passat is a really terrible car when it comes to corners (at least my 1994 one is), it's probably the only FWD car I've driven where it's easy to regularly have the rear end come loose at low speeds (eg. on roundabouts)

I've gotten used to how mine reacts and and can corner reasonably quickly while remaining safe, but if you don't like this behaviour then you are going to end up going slower than you might otherwise like through the twisty sections.

So as soon as the straight bit comes along which presumably is where you want to overtake, you speed up again, to make up some lost time.


Of course, I realise how annoying this is to cars behind, and can tell if someone wants to get past, so I will stick my left signal on and give them a few seconds to start an overtaking manouvre. If they don't take the opportunity, the signal gets cancelled and I speed up. I suspect most Passat drivers do not.

The back end of mine is actually well behaved right now as it contains 1 1/2 Nissan CA18 engines