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Tyre dump plan ‘could blight lives’
OPPOSITION was mounting this week to plans for a shredder to be brought in to get rid of an estimated five million tyres from a former sawmill site on the edge of Romsey.

As recently reported in The Romsey Advertiser, waste disposal expert, Afropa Limited, has drawn up a planning application for the Ashfield Sawmill site to be used for general industrial use for shredding tyres.

That application had been lodged with Test Valley Borough Council. But as it was a minerals and waste issue, it had to be diverted to Hampshire County Council, which is likely to discuss it at its regulatory committee meeting on September 6.

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The land is in the parish of Romsey Extra and its two Test Valley councillors, Conservatives Caroline Nokes and Ian Hibberd, renewed their objections to it after taking a recent close-up look. Mrs Nokes said: "I have had waste management companies beating a path to my door to inform me that the proposal as it stands for tyre shredding in the open air would not only be a blight on the locality, but also cannot be achieved within the timescale proposed.

"It is our view that action must be taken to clear the site without this speculative and highly inappropriate activity in this location."

Mrs Nokes has also written to Test Valley Borough Council's head of planning, Maddy Winter, and head of environment and health, Laura Taylor.

She has taken issue with estimates that, with the mobile shredder, which would be imported from Germany, the site could be cleared in five years. And she said in her letter: "I am reliably informed that the average tyre shredder can handle one tonne of tyres in an hour and one tonne is approximately 150 regular-sized car tyres.

"If there really are five million tyres on the site, then the shredder would need to work for between 18 and 19 hours a day, seven days a week, in order to clear the tyres within the five-year timescale proposed. Obviously, that is entirely unrealistic."

As well as the potential hazards of insect infestation and noise from the shredder, she has also warned of a smell problem. "I gather that this will be quite significant and, in average wind speeds of 25mph, would carry for an estimated 15 miles."

Romsey Extra Parish Council objected to the initial application on the grounds of unnecessary industrialisation of the countryside. Its chairman, Rod Simpson, said: "We have for some time been very concerned about it. It was a relief to see something happening, but a bit worrying when we looked at some of the details.

"Shredding these tyres is not straightforward. It has its risks and what we want is these tyres removed. We will be considering the details carefully and I am fairly certain we will take a very strong position."

Borough councillor, Ian Hibberd, added: "It should be done in an enclosed building if it does go ahead and no more tyres should be brought on to the site. It could blight the lives of the people living in the neighbouring properties for years."

12:54pm Monday 17th July 2006

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Wow, I am suprised they were ever allowed to accumulate such an amount, surely it's a environmental (fire) hazard as it is?

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* 1983 – Seven million tires burn in Rhinehart, Virginia for nine months, polluting nearby areas with lead and arsenic. The location was cleaned up as a Superfund project from 1983 to 2002.[1]
* 1990 – In Hagersville, Ontario, a fire is started in a 12- to 14-million-tire pile. It burns for 17 days and forces 4,000 people to evacuate.[2]
* 1999 – Lightning strikes a tire dump in Westley, California, which burns for 30 days. Pyrolitic oil flows into a nearby stream and also ignites.


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Take them to Rugby . :roll:

Have a look at [url=[url=http://www.healthdemocracy.org.uk/healthdemocracy.org.uk/TheNHS/WarwickshireCoventryLocalNews/Tyre%20Burning%20Cement%20Works.htm]some text here[/url]]this[/url]

And
[url=[url=http://www.jeremywright.co.uk/newsstory.php?newsid=115]some text here[/url]]this[/url]

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Of course, the problem is that tyres are too cheep!

We throw away 30 Million Tyres a year in the UK, It is a major issue. Most of these tyres are actually OK bar the thin band of rubber round the outside!

When I first started driving the only "New" Tyres a car ever got were the ones it came out of the showroom with. Subsequent replacements were either re-treads or re-moulds.

Whislt re-treads are a bit cheep and nasty, re-moulds are basically a completly stripped down and remanufactured tyre (My Dad was, amongst other things, involved in the Rubber buisness) and is just as good as a new one, at least as far as "ordinary" cars are concerned.

(I could understand that a Ferarri owner might insist on new every time, But the landfills are not filling up with old Ferrari tyres! They are filling up with old Corsa/Fiesta ones!)

The trouble is that (As with any recycling exercise) this is a moderatly expensive process. If you can buy new tyres for, in some cases, less than £15 (Ive just checked on line) then there is not enough "Margin" for a remanufacturer to process the old tyre and make any proffit from the deal as aginst the cost of a new tyre (From Korea or Poland)

So they get thrown away causeing a massive waste disposal problem!

For my part, I would put a "Tax" on *new* tyres that would be high enough to give remoulders an incentive to operate.

Probabally £20/tyre would do the job. In practice, the average consumer would probabally not end up spending any more on replacement tyres than he does now and we would have gone a long way towards solving a really serious waste problem.

(On top of that it would generate alot of employment in this country. New tyres are mostly imported! Re-moulding operations are likly to be performed within this country. We could be looking at a 1Bn£/Annum buisness that is also rather eco-frendly and doesnt cost the ordinary Joe any more money! Everbody wins (Appart from the Poles/Koreans) Not Bad eh!! :wink: )

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PS Yes I know you cant put tyres in landfill any more, it was a figure of speech! It is also why this has *suddenly* become a BIG problem since nobody else seems to have any ideas what to do with the things!

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Remoulds - started using them years ago - as an apprentice pennies were precious - remoulds were a cheap way of getting good tyres on my car - never had any problems with them - and the ones i choose -Goodyear even had a no quible change policy . Remember getting two on front end of one car , getting wheel woble , going to Goodyear at Wetherby and getting sent to a dealer , cause it was slightly out of spec - no questons asked.

There was another way of getting cheap, good quality tyres - seconds - during the mouding process the name --use goodyear as an example - the name on the tyre was seen as "OODYEAR " , with a squigle where the G should be - result ---quarter to half price.

Suspect that a lot of people are put off remoulds by the social stigma- don't know why - i used to get remoulds rated at up to 100mph ---but when your car is parked in the company car park and the "car expert " spots "REMOULDS " ,AND BROADCASTS IT ROUND THE FIRM -- in his ignorance -makes you look like someone trying to cheapskate on safety.

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"OODYEAR"

ROFLMAO!!!

My most scary "Tyre Moment" was back in 1980 when I bought some "Cheep" tyres from our local tyre fitter. Shortly after that I went to a lecture at the local 6th form collage titled "How Tyred is your driving" (It was a first date with my first "serious" girlfrend! Hmnn, thats a bit sad really, though she actually enjoyed it, so maybe it wasnt! Ho Humn!)
After that I had a closer look at the cheep tyres only to be *horrified* to find that stamped into the sidewall was (Something like) "For agrecultural use only, Max speed 40KPH" Needless to say they were promptly replaced!!

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Have a quick look at the latest entry in Near Miss. That would have been an Itchy Lynne - but it was a new one (well, 6 months old actually) Z rated too.


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Link!?!

(Sorry, Im feeling *particularly* lazy at present (its the heat))

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Dusty wrote:
Link!?!

(Sorry, Im feeling *particularly* lazy at present (its the heat))

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:lol: :D :lol:

I know just how you feel!

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[quote="Dusty"]"OODYEAR"

ROFLMAO!!!
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Just an example - some had the ratings misplaced - and don't forget that this was in the 60's -when anything standard would.nt get up to 50 mph very fast - indeed my 1500 peaked at 85/90 ( after a long run through Glencoe ) Nowt wrong with the tyres i got - only the problem fitting them by hand -

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I know somebody who can take a tyre on a wheel, and force one bead over the other by hand with only the aid of a tyre lever, thus turning the tyre inside out, with one bead located on the rim. :shock:

When the wheel is set down on the floor, the upturned tyre looks like a bowl.
He paints them white and uses them as garden planters. I'll try and get a picture of one - although 5 million garden planters will take some getting rid of too!! :lol:

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Having been in a car fitted with remoulds and consequently a passenger in a 450deg spin on a crowded motorway, I don't have the confidence in them. We were very lucky - the blowout induced spin was to the left and we ended up on the hard shoulder/verge (from L1), had we ended up sideways on to L2/L3 traffic on the busy M1, then I wouldn't be typing this. My main memory apart from world spinning around was the woman who must have been just behind us coming back to demand to know why we had chosen to do it!


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Having been in a car fitted with remoulds and consequently a passenger in a 450deg spin on a crowded motorway, I don't have the confidence in them. We were very lucky - the blowout induced spin was to the left and we ended up on the hard shoulder/verge (from L1), had we ended up sideways on to L2/L3 traffic on the busy M1, then I wouldn't be typing this. My main memory apart from world spinning around was the woman who must have been just behind us coming back to demand to know why we had chosen to do it!


Strangely enough , had many thousands of safe miles on remoulds - (British ones that is) - however when abroad, in Africa - tyres were an expensive luxury( and this was on a government vehicle), had several blowouts on the cheap remoulds we got.
Possibly , remoulds is like everything else in this world ( or more so ) - you get what you pay for - i always made sure that i knew the limitations ( speed rating etc) of the ones fitted - and perhaps if the driver had done so this incident would not have occured.

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When they increased the minimum legal tread depth from 1mm to 1.6mm, what did they think was going to happen?

Won't shredding the tyres just convert them into an even less manageable form?

Are there any useful by-products that could be derived from old tyres? They certainly burn well (as GATSOs all over the UK will testify). Some sort of fuel perhaps?

Could they be sold in bulk to poor countries that do not have tyre safety regulations? Chances are that our second-hand tyres are better than what they're using right now.

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When they increased the minimum legal tread depth from 1mm to 1.6mm, what did they think was going to happen?

Won't shredding the tyres just convert them into an even less manageable form?

Are there any useful by-products that could be derived from old tyres? They certainly burn well (as GATSOs all over the UK will testify). Some sort of fuel perhaps?

Could they be sold in bulk to poor countries that do not have tyre safety regulations? Chances are that our second-hand tyres are better than what they're using right now.


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#1 Well, of course! Actually, tyres are an interesting scenario arnt they With almost any other consumable componant on a car you can reasonably expect to get 100% performance (or near 100% ) right up to the point it is "Worn out" (EG Brake pads) with tyres you lose performance from day one. The definition of "Worn out" is a matter of compromise and judgement.

#2 Shredding reduces volume in landfill and makes it easier for them to rot down (Which they will eventually)

#3 Yes, they can be recycled into "Bouncy" tarmac for playgrounds and are also used for "High Grip" road surfacing such as is seen near corossings and junctions these days (Reminds you of the old joke about using concrete wheels and rubber roads doesnt it!)

Worlk is also being done on seeing whether the rubber can be "Platformed (Chemical addition of Hydrogen) back into a useable oil product.

Waste tyres in developing countries are a **MAJOR** health issue! the discarded tyres provide resevoirs for stagnemt pools of water where malaria mosquitos can breed in great number!

Malaria is mankinds greatest enemy (Disease speaking) In places like Africa, old tyres probabally kill more people than War and Famine combined!

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