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Auto Express claim they tested drivers at an M1 service area in Bedfordshire


Dosen't that imply that clued up drivers avoid these services, or avoid people with clip boards :lol:

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Over the past few months I have intermittently had what is described as an "Engine Warning Light" illuminated on my dashboard.

The handbook says it may indicate a number of a faults and that I should consult my dealer.

I've taken the view that the most likely indication is a faulty light and I should ignore it. And it's not lit up for about five weeks now :)

If anything obvious goes wrong I'll get it seen to.

Took the car in for service yesterday. They plugged the diagnostic machine in and said it showed a fault with the knock sensor. There's nothing actually wrong with the knock sensor apart from recording a non-existent fault :x

I could have had it replaced at a price of £115+VAT or similar. Needless to say, I didn't.

Would it be an MoT failure if a warning light is displaying, though?

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They plugged the diagnostic machine in and said it showed a fault with the knock sensor. There's nothing actually wrong with the knock sensor apart from recording a non-existent fault :x


Ahh yes, the motor industry is following on the heels of aviation here. Of all the warning light faults fortelling impending doom due to low oil, fuel or hydraulic pressure, high oil or coolant temperature etc etc, I've investiagted, 99% of the beggars are caused by faulty transmitters. I've come to the conclusion that the warning lights serve only to inform the operator of a failure of the sender that supplies the light :roll:


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There might well be something wrong with the knock sensor. You won't notice anything amiss until the car tries to knock though! If it doesn't knock, the knock sensor (even if it was working) won't do anything!

In the UK, you'll probably be fine but if you took it to Greece or somewhere that had "variable" fuel quality, the engine might start pinking. In extreme and prologed cases it will destroy itself - but that's rare!

The other thing that might have happened is that once it has decided its knock sensor is faulty, it might attempt to save you an engine by retarding the ignition timing a bit. - effectively going into fail-safe mode. If that's the case, you might notice a very slight drop in performance / increase in fuel consumption but it ought to be very slight indeed!


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Years ago when we were al llearning to drive in our school, we all bought various jaloppies to run round in. one lad came in looking really glum one day. His "new" pride and joy - an old 1300 Marina, had seized its engine - oil starvation.

"Wasn't there a warning light on"? I asked.

"yes, there was a little ?amber? light on the dash that's been on this last few weeks. At first it used to flash on bends but then it stayed on. I didn't know what it was so I ignored it".

Before I could say anything, another of my classmates replied "It's a base model f&*£ng Marina!!!! It's only got 4 lights on the dash. One comes on with the indicators, one with main beam one with the ignition - that only leave one more AND THAT'S NOT LIKELY TO BE A F%^&£$G ASHTRY-FULL WARNING LIGHT IS IT?????"

Couldn't have put it better myself!


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Mole wrote:
There might well be something wrong with the knock sensor. You won't notice anything amiss until the car tries to knock though! If it doesn't knock, the knock sensor (even if it was working) won't do anything!

In the UK, you'll probably be fine but if you took it to Greece or somewhere that had "variable" fuel quality, the engine might start pinking. In extreme and prologed cases it will destroy itself - but that's rare!

The other thing that might have happened is that once it has decided its knock sensor is faulty, it might attempt to save you an engine by retarding the ignition timing a bit. - effectively going into fail-safe mode. If that's the case, you might notice a very slight drop in performance / increase in fuel consumption but it ought to be very slight indeed!

I'm not likely to take it anywhere beyond France or Germany, and haven't noticed any deterioration in performance (which isn't exactly earth-shattering at the best of times). Also I tend to avoid supermarket petrol and stick to major brands. Therefore I'm happy to live with it for the time being.

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PeterE wrote:

Would it be an MoT failure if a warning light is displaying, though?


It can be. I have heard of an MOT failure due to a fault code stored in an ECU but not flagging up a warning lamp.


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Mole wrote:
Years ago when we were al llearning to drive in our school, we all bought various jaloppies to run round in. one lad came in looking really glum one day. His "new" pride and joy - an old 1300 Marina, had seized its engine - oil starvation.

"Wasn't there a warning light on"? I asked.

ASHTRY-FULL WARNING LIGHT IS IT?????"

Couldn't have put it better myself!



Like a tale i heard in a little village - bankers wife bought car ( Hilman Imp ) , on run home saw this light on dash -drove home - 45 miles - and then some nasty noises - was oil pressure light - noises was big ends -tried to claim on waranty - till told that no oil in engine voided waranty.
Woops - no deal . :wink:

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Would it be an MoT failure if a warning light is displaying, though?


It can be. I have heard of an MOT failure due to a fault code stored in an ECU but not flagging up a warning lamp.


That shouldn't have happened. There is no requirement in the MOT test to check fault codes - in fact very few MOT stations will have the necessary tackle to do so on all makes of car. They just check tailpipe emissions and (Not sure about this!) engine managment warning light. If tailpipe emissions are OK, it should pass.


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Is it a requirement to check tailpipe emmisions - don't recollect my MOT lot doing it -

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My bosses 4 cylinder Skoda Octavia failed a diagnostic test at a garage.

The message read "fault with plug on cylinder 5" :?


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Is it a requirement to check tailpipe emmisions - don't recollect my MOT lot doing it -


OK, not if the car is old enough!
(pre '75 I think?)


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