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Yup.

That was me today about 2 miles outside Stafford town centre on a suburban road.

Now, this road - for a suburban area - is wider than usual with excellent forward visibility. The road was quiet (around 2.00 p.m.). There were no pedestrians in the immediate vicinity. Traffic was light.

However.........

Roadworks have just commenced along this stretch of road, and one lane has been completely closed off to traffic that would usually approach the town centre. So it is now a one-way system for traffic leaving Stafford. There were no workmen, no heavy plant in operation, no changes to the road surface, no traffic management system in place. Just.........cones.

New posted speed limit?

10mph.

Do me a favour

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Simon

Insane!

(What more can I say??)

Had similar near where I live (A325 between Farnham and Bordon) 30 MPH limit imposed for "Miles" with only a couple of hundred (Very obvious) yards of roadworks actually in place at any given time!

Madness

(Thinks: maybe Ill go back into local politics on a ticket that "I wont do this shit"!)

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"The road to a police state is paved with public safety legislation"

I can beat that! It was about 20 years ago travelling south from the north side of one of the Thames bridges in London. Blackfriars I think. They have been resurfacing and have had horrendous ramps in place, with a 5mph speed limit posted. But they have finished the works, left perfect tarmac, and gone home. It's about 2am. I saw 45mph, and I claim the prize because I exceeded the speed limit by NINE times.

Unless anyone can beat that!

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Paul Smith
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Are speed limits less than 20mph legally enforceable? i didn't think they were.

Not normally, no. And there can be issues with 20mph speed limits too.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

But possibly?

For example, could exceeding a temporary 10mph speed limit result in licence endorsement?

I don't think a speed limit of less than 20mph can be enforced on a public road.

But a parks speed limit might be enforceable. When there was all that fuss about endorsement code SP60, it was suggested that -possibly- SP60 could be applied if a parks speed limit was exceeded.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

In Poole the Pleasure Grounds' Byelaws set a maximum speed limit of 8mph unless otherwise signed.
This is punshible with "a fine not exceeding the sum of two pounds". After going to court, obviously. (Bill of Rights)

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Andrew.

Do these places give you the option to have a person with a red flag walk in front to warn of a dangerous contraption ??

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

bot,

Are you vicariously posting from the Transport2000 site????

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Simon

Ah Silkmore Lane!

The current traffic management going with the roadworks is on of the most complete pieces of insanity I have ever come across.

It has indeed been set up for the duration as "a one-way system for traffic leaving Stafford" - without any consideration for the large number of residents in the area.

Stafford's road layout means that anyone inadvertently turning into the road is faced with a complete 5 mile circuit to get back to where they started! Mrs Beard had to do this tonight when she decided to visit the Coop on that road and had not realised the nature of the roadworks. (We live near there but are not directly affected) In tonights temperature in heavy traffic it went down like a lead brick.

If there is a problem between J13 and 14 on th M6 Northbound, gridlock will occur as all traffic will attempt to cross Stafford via the A449.

NO - thought that this sort of "DANGEROUS SPEED " needed some sort of advanced warning ( after all heads might fall off, brains could fry -- that was the victorian view - and now the Transport 2000 view)

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

get real this is the M6 it will have a problem somewhere between those 2 junctions, possibly as it is running at 100%+ capacity most of the time

As far as I know the only time you can use a 10mph limit is for convoy working, at least that's the only time I've ever had to use them.

The limit is enforced by the convoy vehicle so it would be difficult to break the limit.

This method of working is used where the required sideways clearance from the works can't be achieved (it's IIRC 500mm for and 85th%ile of 30mph). This means that a lane can still stay open and remove the need for a total road closure.

I would say that in this situation they have set up the TM and not covered up the signs.

The signs are prominent, and much repeated along the length of the area whichy has one lane closed (making the road one-way). Are you all sure about the the 10mph limit being uninforceable? I ask because I'm sure some poor soul, possibly even someone I know, will get done for exceeding it.

Could it be that the 10mph was for site traffic?

My lad will wander round the corner tomorrow and take a picture.