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The Tesco near me is in a complex with B&Q, Currys, and I think there's a furniture place too. Tesco's itself has a cafe, if I was doing a weekly shop and then perhaps looking for something in Curry's, and wanted to do some work at home, I could quite easily spend 2 hours in the complex... I don't think that it would ever be implemented in this complex though, because there is virtually no housing near it, and there is never a time when you come along and can't get a parking space.

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Mike

I think this is how it works with these private parking enforcement affairs:

They create an "implied contract" by putting up signs that drivers will see telling them that if they park there for more than 2 hours they have to pay £70.
They sometimes attach a "civil penalty charge notice" type thing to the vehicle, this doesn't really matter.

If this is not attached or not paid then after a few days they ask DVLA for details for "parking enforcement purposes".

They send a letter to the Registered Keeper.

The registered keeper has no legal obligation to tell them who was driving (S172 of the RTA doesn't apply).

The registered keeper writes back saying "Why are you asking me about this? Please contact whoever was the driver at the time."

There's not a lot else they can do without proof of who was driving.

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Andrew.

The problem is the courts. Numerous cases like Arthur v Anker, DPP v Lloyd and the latest Bill of Rights case, have shown that the courts are sometimes inclined to take the view "You're a MOTORIST, OF COURSE you have to pay" even if it means throwing out or ignoring centuries of precedent and common law.

I don't know what it's like elsewhere, but I live in a small town near Cheltenham, and Tesco own 99.9% of the parking in the area. IIRC, they have spaces for about 800 cars, and for the rest of the town, the council provide a massive SIX public spaces.

Those spaces have to do for everyone who works in or wants to visit the high street, which of course is an utterly ridiculous situation, and Tesco ends up picking up the slack. Unfortunately there's no option to legitimately park in Tesco; it's risk the fine or get away scot-free - maybe if Tesco offered the old, "pay a quid for parking, get it reimbursed when you buy something" scheme it might work, but quite frankly I find that irritating as hell.

So all in all it seems that the problem is that Tesco buy up all the sought after and well-placed parking spaces, and people have no choice other than to park there. Either local councils need to provide alternative parking, or Tesco need to allow some of the 'illegal' parking they fine for at the the moment.

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Carl Prescott

You're all missing the point! Tell tesco to F*ck off if they 'fine' you!

implied contract my arse!

ah well... just register your reg against your clubcard and it can check if you've just been shopping or not

oh and they can monitor what car you drive as well as what you buy and how much petrol you use



then mr blair & co. can use them for ID cards

As a kid in the 1980s, I remember they had a system exactly like this at the Morrisons supermarket I used to visit with my parents. You took a card on the way in, parked, shopped and the cashier would then stamp the card as proof you've been there shopping. And I think, if you didn't have a valid card you'd be charged a few quid parking fee.

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Why can't we just use Common Sense?

Supposing I were to put a sign up in my window of my car when ever I park in tesco saying:

"Please note, the owner of this vehicle does not accept the terms and conditions of parking here and will not pay any form of restrospective parking charge if levied by Tesco"

Would that nullify the implied contract?

Please note i fully accept that tesco have a right to protect their carpark and completely agree with the idea in principle, i just object to the way they are doing it and the DVLA's willfull involvement.

If it did, then you would be trespasing as you are only allowed to park there if you agree to the contract.

I find it odd that everyone is against this. I know of several supermarkets on the edge of towns where the carpark is always used by non-supermarket customers and it annoys me that I have to park further away because of them.

The real culprits are surely local councils who are trying to 'be green' and force people onto public transport by closing local car parks and turning all side roads into resident only bays. I can't remember the last time I went into a town centre to do any shopping.

A shop car park in Southampton has signs which say:

"By parking here you agree to the terms and conditions below"

Where does that get us?

alock, I don't think everyone is against supermarkets controlling their parking, conversely, I believe the majority of forum users completely support it, including myself.

What i'm opposed to is the method by which Tesco are enforcing their rules and the unacceptable release of personal details to a third party by the DVLA!

^^^^^^ Furthermore I don't think this kind of "ticket in the post" approach will deter non-tesco customers from using the car park, they are just likely to recieve a "fine" a few weeks later.

In my view the most efficacious method would be a some form of entrace/exit barrier system, as that would have an immediate impact on inappropriate carpark usage.

There's a Sainsburys in town that has found a much simpler solution to this problem.

It costs £1 to park, and you get a voucher for £1 off your shopping with your parking ticket. The council operated car park next door charges 70p.

Morrisons used to have a guy operating an exit barrier and you had to show your recipt or pay a tenner.


Personally if I got one of these Tesco letters I'd just send them the cash along with a boat load of Tesco recipts (usually over £100 each) with a note to say that I hope they like the money, it's going to Morrisons from now on.

Assuming that one doesn't pay any monies or mouth off, the 'tickets' that the likes of Tesco or their third party's issue, are not worth the paper they're printed on, they are unenforceable (see Pepipoo for explanation). Let's also have some perspective here. Tesco is Britain's largest Grocer which has come in for much criticism for 'imposing' itself on the ingenuous population even when opposition to store development has in the 90% majority against. They have undoubtedly been responsible for many smaller businesses within that area going under too.

As far as i'm concerned, the more people that 'screw' such a company, the better, we need less DPE and Tesco and more choice!!!!!

Are Tesco really that bad? I thought they were one of the more ethical supermarkets?

I'd rather shop there than Asda anyway, at least now that Asda are owned by Walmart.

No tescos arn't that bad, however who's next to get your details? the village snooper with the laser gun who works at tescos? I know that when people have access to this stuf they abuse it. Even on very real threat of losing a very good job.

When the dunblane shootings happened around 20 staff misused thier powers and "looked up" the person who did the shooting. People also misuse thier powers around emotive times , such as a divorce. One member of staff looked up details for a friend and the friend went round to the "safe house" and violently atacked his ex-partner. That person was sacked and prosicuted.

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

Ask the people of Gerrards Cross

if a town really didn't want a tesco (or any other supermarker/mcdonalds or whatever the "we hate you" du jour is) then surely it would go out of business due to lack of sales?

Maybe, maybe not. What if the opposition comes just from the locals in the immediate locale (assume it's being built in a smallish town) but where the majority of the store catchment area (all the other small towns/villages/etc within 5-10 miles) is quite in favour? Even if you achieve a 100% boycott from the locals, that might only reduce your potential clientele by 20-30%...

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Chris

Not sure, it hasn't yet been built. The tunnel it was due to be built over collapsed onto the railway line. I know the locals certainly won't use it. Passing trade may keep it going. Anyway, it's irrelevant.