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A car with nil ful consumption would, of course, pay no tax, but then it would be unable to move unless a horse were coupled up. Maybew this is the intention of the committee, to bring back horse-drawn transport.


Yeah and the horses could be trained to s**t all over the houses of parliament steps!!

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I would be very interested to see the regulatory impact assessment on these proposals. :twisted:

From what I've seen it looks like it's going to screw the economy. And I don't believe for one minute that it's anything to do with the environmental 'benefits'.

Talking to a few friends today, most are in shock that the government is now suddenly anti-car, what I said? They've just been more subtle about it.

Another who's fiance is French is seriously looking into if he can register and tax the car in France.

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Another who's fiance is French is seriously looking into if he can register and tax the car in France.


In Portugal it's only around 10 Euros to tax a car, although it is banded on engine size.


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Did you know:
There is nothing to stop you from having an address somewhere else in Europe, for example in Dublin.
There is nothing to stop you from registering a company anywhere in Europe and it can even be the European office of a UK Limited Company.
There is nothing in law to prevent the EU office of a UK company from buying and registering and insuring cars there and, for example, in Dublin most of the major UK insurers (Norwich Union, for example) have offices and will accept UK earned NCB's.
With an address in Eire you can exchange your UK licence for an Irish one and still drive anywhere in Europe on it in your Eire registered car.
In fact, it's even legal to change your name in Eire by 'deed-poll' (to, maybe, Paddy Murphy?). Under EU regs there must be 'no artificial barriers to trade or business across the entire EU'.
Using this system one would be invisible to the cash-cameras, congestion-charge free, parking-ticket exempt (unless they clamp) and so long as the laws were not completely abused you would never have any problems. If you drove at 130 mph through several cameras within the same SCP it seems likely they would really seek you out, but we're not really going to do this, are we?


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A car with nil ful consumption would, of course, pay no tax, but then it would be unable to move unless a horse were coupled up. Maybew this is the intention of the committee, to bring back horse-drawn transport.


Yeah and the horses could be trained to s**t all over the houses of parliament steps!!

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Don't forget Horses are not zero emissions transport. They produce about 1/4-1/2 the greenhouse gas of a family car on average mileage.

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Apparently these are the LibDem proposals for new VED rates:

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   CO2 (g/km)      CURRENT RATES NEW RATES
A  100 and below   0             0
B  101 to 120      40            0
C  121 to 150      100           100
D  151 to 165      125           150
E  166 to 185      150           850
F  186 to 225      190           1500
G  226 and above   210           2000

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PeterE wrote:
Apparently these are the LibDem proposals for new VED rates:

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   CO2 (g/km)      CURRENT RATES NEW RATES
A  100 and below   0             0
B  101 to 120      40            0
C  121 to 150      100           100
D  151 to 165      125           150
E  166 to 185      150           850
F  186 to 225      190           1500
G  226 and above   210           2000


I pity all those 2L vw beetle drivers!


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I'm cool with that.

All I'll do is use my 1965 MGB roadster as a daily driver.

OK, it may only do 23mpg at best but the cost of maintaining it will be far cheaper than paying the VED on my modern car!

Yes, I will come to love the smell of un-catalysed 98-RON even more than I do now.

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As stated it would clearly have perverse effects on the car market. Clearly there would be no benefit in having a Band E car, so the manufacturers would all tweak their engines to give 165.9999 g/km of CO2. But someone who's prepared to spend £40k on an X5 might not be too bothered about the annual charge.

And they would also need to change company car taxation, which is currently based on CO2 emissions and price, but takes no account of VED band.

To be honest, I can't see this happening, even under a LibDim government. But look forward to £400+ VED for Band G vehicles :(

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We already have a fair emissions based tax system, given that the abount of CO2 produced is proportional to the amount of fuel burned, which is proportional to the amount of tax paid. Couldn't be fairer in my eyes.


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They'll never just do the simple thing and tax fuel. It reminds people weekly or daily how much we are screwed so they choose not to. Road tax is yearly and company car drivers never notice. I bet they'll introduce a monthly payment scheme so it will disappear with all the other taxation before you get your salary so you don't notice how much they are ripping you off.

I wonder how long the government would keep to this stupid plan if everyone decided to boycott the pumps and the shops for a week and deprived them of the VAT & fuel duty? Us motorists keep this place afloat. If we all switched to asthmatic cars tomorrow the rates for those would get whacked up to compensate for the loss of income. Sadly the buffoons that think the the higher taxes are a good idea don't realise this and it will serve them right when they can't afford even the crap cars because they started the process off due to their jealousy of others being able to afford more powerful cars than them.

Clarkson is definitely right with his missive about them starting on the 4x4s, then the sports cars, then the 2 litres until we will be paying £1000 for some 400cc bit of crap that can do 30 mph top speed. Motoring, and enjoyment of same, is rapidly becoming the new smoking.

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Clarkson is definitely right with his missive about them starting on the 4x4s, then the sports cars, then the 2 litres until we will be paying £1000 for some 400cc bit of crap that can do 30 mph top speed. Motoring, and enjoyment of same, is rapidly becoming the new smoking.

Wow, this is powerful stuff. Very eloquently put, teabelly, I'm going to remember that and use it in discussions with the "otherwise intelligent, but apathetic and blindly trusting of TPTB" brigade.


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and i can just see me in the future trying to tow my 1.2 Ton Caravan with a Nissan Micra??


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Here's a charming video from Greenpeace on the subject of 4x4s.

Warning: take blood pressure pills first :x

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I was walking through my local town centre the other lunchtime and a charity promoter approached me and asked if I wanted to join Greenpeace (direct debit etc.)

I said that I didn't support their campaigm and walked on.

What I should have done was tell him that I have a huge 4x4 (true) and I hate the tree hugging, lentil eating sandalistas with chips on their shoulders who want to tell me what to do. :evil: Pity I didn't have more time.

In view of the excellent exam results just published, I can rest easy in the knowledge that our children are much cleverer than my generation and will soon find the answer to global warming. :)

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Even if you buy into the nonesense about man-made global warming, how on earth can you justify charging somebody £2000 for carbon emissions which can be offset for £20?

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exactly!!!

its all socialist bollocks


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That video is shocking!!! What makes them so perfect.

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:o So I'll have to pay £1500 per year for my 30mpg Renault?


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