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Classic.

The Boys and girls in Blue at their very best.

http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/240907_uk_filming_police_offence.html

The camera man's attitude made him seem like the kind of person who shouts at the top of his voice "You can't touch me, I know my rights, I know my rights" after committing an offence.

In fact, I can hear him say "here we go, get ready" when the police are walking towards him; he was goading them. I bet he tried that a million times before getting that response, now that he has he is claiming 'police state'. Of course, that doesn't excuse the failings of those officers. The female officer doesn't have a clue of how to conduct herself.

Smeggy, you surprise me!

They watch us, on cctv in many public places (it also films them), as they say to us, "If you're doing nothing wrong you've nothing to fear"

I had some fun getting photo evidence for a Mersey Tunnels speeding defence (from public, not tunnels land), I was often approached by members of their private Police force and told I could not take photo's as it was against 'byelaws', I would ask them to quote the byelaw after radioing HQ they would quote ' commercial photography is not permitted without the consent...', my response 'this is not commercial I am an amatuer/ it's legal / what evidence do you have I am a commericial photographer etc.'.
I often upate my signs photo's of the tunnels should another defendant require them (they film me on their cctv), as god bless them they are trying to get them right, new better spaced repeaters, But they haven't spotted two fatal flaws (one only at night).

Their Inpsector hassled me last time about taking photo's of his officers, then got his camera out to photo me , so it's game on.

back to the video, the guy was flapping and he knew he was right, but there was no telling the cop (a bit like explaining the law to lay Magistrates).

Neither seemed like the sharpest knives.

If he does this regularly, he should have some reahearsed lines,

"Which way did Pat and Carl go?"

"BBC! you're live on News 24 Copwatch"

or if you really want to worry them

"I'm working for Mark Thomas"

fatboytim

Correct. The coppers would have been better giving him a damned good ignoring but the prick had no reason to be videoing them in the first place. He appeared to be inviting a confrontation so he could stand up for his "rights" and send the police away with a flea in their ear and show the impressionable kids you can hear in the background what a big clever man he is in the process.

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He may have been a wanker, but that doesnt exuce the pathetic behaviour of two coppers that should have known better and known the law perhaps. The world is full of wankers, but does that give the bib the right to make up the laws as they go along. I think its they that have proved them selves to not only be bigger wankers, but bigger wankers in uniform!

They only get worse when they have a speed gun in their hands.

The cops should have ignored him and not stuck their noses in. If they treated their suspect correctly they had nothing to fear from anyone filming them. In fact it would have been a feather in their cap. However, they made themselves look stupid and perhaps nowing they were wrong still tried to bully this person into not filming them.

Perhaps most unfortunate in this is the way they tried to intimidate him as I got the distinct impression that if he said one thing wrong they would have arrested him for breach of peace towards a police officer.

They try this and I have been on the recieving end walking past some of them when leaving a football match ,with my 7 year old son, in which a woman police officer jumped forward with her batton stretched across her chest and caught me for no reason on my shoulder. On asking why she did it and trying to get her number I was quickly told to move on by her colleaguues whilst she totally ignored me. I was going to write to the Chief C but figured it waas my word against theirs and I did not have any number. The Police lie sometimes don't they and I was sure they would have bundled me off in the back of their taxi.

I would not hesitate filming any contact with the police in future and would welcome being filmed by anyone else. I have not done and do not plan to do anything of a criminal nature now or in the future, so I have nothing to worry about, do I?

I'll bet that this particular wanker wouldn't have been so keen to exercise his rights if it was a group of yobs vandalising a car he'd been videoing. Because the next shot would have been of his own colon wouldn't it?

Its very de-rigeur to critcise the police and I know they chose to do their job, but would you do it? Are you big enough and infallible enough to face the kind of shit from wankers that a police officer must face every day without letting your guard down once in a while, because I know I'm not. I'm just thankful that we have some people who still want to do the job, because I can't imagine what this toilet of a country would be like without them. In fact, incidents like this tell us a lot about the sort of society we have - wankers who choose to confront the police for no other reason than because they know they are within their rights to do so. Perhaps it would be better if we had a police force that responed like this to unecessary provocation......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5cZ0-8DKUI

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I don't see why the filmer is being labelled a wanker.

He was filming from his own garden, never said a word and the police came over to harrass him.

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Police could have seized the camera and film as potential evidence against whatever they stopped the youth for.

Clearly the coppers didn't like being filmed - well tough, I am filmed against my wishes dozens of times a day & I don't like it either.

I'm told "if your doing nothing wrong...". And of course if I harrass a cctv operator then I'm likely to get done for it. I'm supposed to grin and bear it.

Maybe we should all walk around with "headcams" filming everything.

Maybe then we'd see a stop to this surveillance society.

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I will agree the filmmaker did absolutely nothing wrong in the lead up to the police deciding to go speak to him. It was his attitude afterwards that sunk any respect I had for him.

Ask yourself this: what kind of person has a hotline to their solicitor?


Yes those two officers got it so very wrong, but only those two! I don't assume for a second that all/most/some officers are like that.
How many other officers did he film where he didn't get that response? Yet that somehow equates to "police state" ?



In another video he was claiming that an officer's uniform is freemasonic: "all the symbolisms are there" "it's what the uniform represents"

........ yeah, and 911 was an inside job

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I still disagree completely, he was filming from his own property. We're told it's perfectly acceptable for US to filmed dozens of times a day. If the police didn't have a "police state" attitude, and think they're "untouchable" then none of it would have happened. There's no respect for the police these days - but they've brought it all on themselves.

NO police officer should behave like that - this particular pair should be disciplined for harrassment.

These days we ALL need a hotline to a solicitor!



I haven't looked at any of his other videos - and won't! But to take the above quote as I said respect has to be earned & waking round dressed like robocop doesn't help!

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No, we pass regularly through a camera shot with dozens of other people, there is a difference.



No, its happened because people with no sense of scale or proportion and with more freedom than they know what to do with call petty incidents like this 'harrassement' and throw the term 'police state' around without having the first idea of what a real police state is like.

The police officers were wrong because they should have ignored him, he is a wanker because he also had it within his power to diffuse the situation but chose not to because it was his 'right'.

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I agree with that, but it doesn’t address my point, that being the filmmaker was a and tried to play up that one incident much more than he should have. EDIT it's petty behaviour like that which encourages the need for such stupid petty rules in the first place!


Perhaps (I know I don’t), although I would say that’s assign of a sick society (which is probably a correct deduction to make) - but what kind of person actually has one?

Not true. WE are regularly and individually watched by cctv operators looking for "crimes" such as dropping a crisp on "their" pavements. Don't believe for a minute that the only time cctv is used is after a crime has been detected. THEY are watching YOU.



Again I disagree. The WHOLE incident was caused by two police officers, who decided they had the right to enter someones property and harrass him about filming them. Police are given positions of responsibility which includes earning the respect of the public for a fair and just society. This pair let the whole police force down.

I'm very happy these days to see as many instances as possible of people standing up for their rights. We may not yet be a police state but we're sleepwalking right into it. We ARE now a surveillance society.

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I agree, but maybe he's had the same trouble before, that doesn't make him in the wrong. It's clear from the video that the police have made up their own rules to suit themselves, who can blame him for having legal advice on hand? It is a VERY sick society we live in.

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You need to cancel your subscription to the Daily Express

I don't feel watched, I don't feel the need to have a solicitor, I don't feel the need to provoke incidents with the police. I'm not buying into this great notion that the Big Brother bogeyman (wooohoooo) is out there to get me and fully expect to complete my term on this planet without unintentionally dropping on the wrong side of the law. But then again, I conduct myself in a manner that will make this more probable than others who go around ready and willing to exercise their 'rights'.

Anyway, why do you think there is a need for CCTV ? To watch you and me go about our miserable little lives ? Give me a break
Years ago the police could walk up to people and ask them questions without it being accused of 'harrasment', it was part and parcel of their job. Its because of constant carping and whinging about harrassment that the police are now so ham-strung in catching criminals, which is why they need CCTv to gather evidence.

We get the society we deserve, and with constant bitching about the police and their resultant need to keep covering their arses means their ability to survey, question and catch real criminals is constantly compromised.

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Maybe he hasn’t; in 12 years of filming I’m sure he would have captured other such occurences. Regardless, does that excuse him for acting in such a stupid manner? Is he really helping the situation by acting like such a twit?


Had you said the above (in bold) then I would have wholeheartedly agreed, otherwise I can't. We arguably have a lot of police, yet there are many calls for even more. We know with such large sample sizes you’re gonna get the odd bad apple – need the whole catch be cast out?


With an attitude like that I can see why.
(aimed at him, not you)

Don't you? Come back in a year or two and see if you can say the same. Would you be happy for a GPS tracker in your vehicles that allowed "the government" to see exactly where you'd been? Would you be happy to be on a DNA database. Would you be happy having a tracking chip implanted into you and your family? If not, why not - you're not doing anything wrong after all.

We have more CCTV than anywhere else in the world - do we have less crime - no. Like speed cameras, CCTV does not prevent crime, on the odd occassion it may help solve a crime (if plod were ever interested in solving it of course).

My son was robbed. The thief walked into the bank and emptied his account. I told plod the day and time and that there was CCTV in the bank. That was a year ago, they STILL haven't even looked at it. So what's the justification for it?

The real reason is POWER. Government, councils etc have all decided that they are the Kings of old and that we're their "subjects" to be controlled and to do their bidding.



Yes, until they lost all respect by sitting on their arses instead of out on the streets, until they started giving out crime numbers instead of solving crime, until they decided to go for "easy" targets like motorists and claim that crime was down, until they decided that "health & safety" meant they can't save a drowning boy. etc etc. If they want respect they need to start to earn it again, by acting in our interests.

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I'm missing something here, he was filming, plod harrassed him about it. Standing up for his rights, no matter in what manner, is surely nothing to do with the cause of the situation?


Had you said the above (in bold) then I would have wholeheartedly agreed, otherwise I can't. We arguably have a lot of police, yet there are many calls for even more. We know with such large sample sizes you’re gonna get the odd bad apple – need the whole catch be cast out?[/quote]

I meant it as you read it (in bold)!! Not suggesting for a moment that the whole lot are tarred with the same brush, but being a police officer has responsibilities for public perceptions, which this pair have damaged.

What would be the right thing to do would be for the relevant force to publicly come down on this pair and discipline them, then they can claim it's just 2 bad apples, and "we" could accept that.

I've no idea what really has happened but it wouldn't surprise me at all to see a statement from their chief constable supporting them instead. THAT's what does the damage.

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