Really found by one of our kittens
He told Wildy who had
over it. I am on line currently .. so
I gets to post it up.
I decided to pop here. Do move to Cycling or SPL
BBC Edinburgh Latest wrote:
Crash cyclist concedes group risk
John Telfer admitted that group cycling carried risks
A cyclist claiming damages from a fellow bike rider he blames for a pile-up has conceded that group cycling carries a risk of accidents.
Lecturer John Telfer, from West Lothian, and teacher Gordon Macpherson were part of a group of enthusiasts who regularly met for road cycling outings.
Edinburgh Court of Session heard that Mr Telfer, 49, was seriously injured during a group run on 15 June in 2003.
He is now claiming £370,000 compensation from Mr Macpherson.
I think this might be more frequent if 32 million start cycling
Cyclotopian Nirvana and Promised Land of Milk and Honey whilst pedalling away .. does NOT exist. Honest.. it don't exist
article wrote:
Mr Telfer agreed that riding close to other bicycles could be dangerous but said the risk was reduced to "minimum" by the experience and skill of those cycling in the group.
If I thought I was in anyway to blame for the accident, I would not be standing here today
John Telfer
But he told a court he believed he had been "a victim or casualty of someone's neglect".
He told the jury: "In most things you do, there is an element of risk."
We have endless threads on cycling fora claiming "slipstream" and "safety"
Pah.. I never believed that and this incident proves I am correct in this
article and other similar wrote:
The jury will have to decide whether the accident on the B8020 road near Winchburgh, in West Lothian, was caused by Mr Macpherson, who is from Livingston.
They were told that damages have been agreed at £370,000 but that liability is disputed.
Mr Macpherson hit a manhole cover and lost control of his bike. Other members of the group of nine riders also fell.
Mr Telfer said he changed direction to avoid the fallen, but went onto a verge and was pitched over the handlebars. He suffered back and head injuries in the incident.
He maintains that Mr Macpherson did not have proper control of his bike at the time because of the way he was holding his hands. As a result they slipped off the handlebars and he lost control.
He was behind him. If he could see this then he was
riding too close to be able to stop safely on his side of the road in the distance he could see to be clear Let's be clear about this. If we ditch the car and ride a bicycle instead then tailgating another cyclist will be just as anti-social and road raging as a driver tailgating another driver
I have ridden in close formation. At a safe distance behind .. I'd not be able to see hands on the bars so accurately. I'd probably note on a safe overtake though
article wrote:
'Minimum risk'
Andrew Hajducki QC, for Mr Macpherson, said bike riders voluntarily took on a risk of accidents and injuries by cycling without sufficient stopping distance between them.
Mr Telfer said: "There is an element of risk, yes. That is something you put down to being a minimum risk given the nature of the group you choose to ride with and the experience of everybody concerned."
Mr Hajducki said to him: "It is a risk you take on because you want to take part in runs like this." He responded: "In a sociable group, yes."
He said after recovering from injuries he went back to the scene of the accident and decided it had been as a result of the other bike rider's carelessness.
I think he needs to have much better proof and hope he fails in this.
The chap fell over a man-hole. He should have been vigilant and responsible riding means keeping a decent SPACE and TIME .. as part of C O A S T which has been "peer reviewed" and must have been
since naughty drivers are assessed per these skills
as PROVEN
article wrote:
"I have said this quite a few times to many people, that the accident was preventable if the proper riding position and proper hand position was being adopted," he said.
Mr Telfer added: "If I thought I was in anyway to blame for the accident, I would not be standing here today. I think I am a victim or casualty of someone's neglect."
The trial continues.
One bloke's word against the other. I hope he loses really. If he wins.. then this really will have an impact on cycling as we know it .. and I am sure that for once even spinny might agree with me.
In the earlier article which our kids gleefully showed to Wildy this morning
article wrote:
Telfer estimate he was travelling at 25 mph as the road levelled out.
He said Mr McPherson and his son were at the front of the pack of riders.
Telfer said it "happened in slow motion in his memory." Colin (son} accelererated. His father followed and fell over on the manhole.
He claimed Macpherson's hands went down on the side of the bars and he lost control of the bike
No sprint had been planned
Hands slipping? He went over a manhole.. You judder and your teeth clench. Not to mention .. er... "impact on family jewels!
"
Planned action ..
But they moan over request from police for plans over CM
article the kids printed out this morning wrote:
He recollected that the
other cyclists ahead of him had also fallen His JUNIOR counsel told the jury that it was agreed the defendant rode over a manhole and fell off the bike. But she said that the plaintiff claimed Macpherson was "holding his handsin such a way as not to have control of the bike at the time. She also maintained he was at the front of the group and was thus responsible for the safety of it.
The article also says that Telfer was introduced to the cycling group
by the defendant Methinks Mr Telfer is a wimp who just wants compo regardless.
Personally I hope he loses as a win would be a disaster for cycling as a sport and the clubs as well.
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