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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 15:27 
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According to numerous press articles Paul Hodgson spokesman for the RAC beleives that 1/3rd of all accidents are due to speeding. I can't find an link on the RAC website, but if anyone can, I'd be interested in following up the claim

I'd like to challenge Paul to prove his claim and alerting his attention to the findings of DFT Road Safety Research Report No. 43. which seems to suggest excessive speed and speeding account for significantly less than 1/3rd of accidents:

The top 7 contributory factors in over 60,000 accidents is reported as:

1 Inattention: 25.8%
2 Failure to judge other person's path or speed: 22.6%
3 Looked but did not see: 19.7%
4 Behaviour: careless/thoughtless/reckless: 18.4%
5 Failed to look: 16.3%
6 Lack of judgement of own path: 13.7%
7 Excessive speed: 12.5%


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 19:37 
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I have had a reply to my mail to RAC about their recent report, and here is part of their reply:


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"As regards the statistics to which you refer, our report clearly states the
accident causation relating to speed according to Government data - if the
stats were misreported in the piece you saw I can only apologise for that.
It would be great if you could let me know the source of your data for
future reference."


I sent this reply:

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"As usual, the government are lying through their teeth.

I would draw your attention to the findings of DFT Road Safety Research
Report No. 43. which seems to suggest excessive speed and speeding account
for significantly less than 1/3rd of accidents:

The top 7 contributory factors in over 60,000 accidents is reported as:

1 Inattention: 25.8%
2 Failure to judge other person's path or speed: 22.6%
3 Looked but did not see: 19.7%
4 Behaviour: careless/thoughtless/reckless: 18.4%
5 Failed to look: 16.3%
6 Lack of judgement of own path: 13.7%
7 Excessive speed: 12.5%

There are plenty of other correct reports around such as:
The Transport Research Laboratory was commissioned to investigate a new type
of form for police officers to report on road traffic accidents they attend.
This form was designed to produce more accurate data on causal factors.

The results of this investigation, published in report TRL323, showed that
excess speed was a factor (but not necessarily the only factor) in 7.3% of
accidents.

The government is not really interested in improving road safety, it is only
interested in making life hell for drivers, and literally force them onto
public transport by taking away their driving licences, and extorting as
much money from them as possible into the bargain.

Your researchers couild have discovered this information quite easily,
(there are several good websites) and should be spoken to very sternly, for
allowing this sort of biased rubbish to be published as fact! It is very
disappointing for an organisation that purports to be the champion of
motorists to perpetrate lies, without checking up on them first."


It will probably get me shot down in flames :)


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Sorry diy I forgot to ask if it was OK to use your DFT data :oops:


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It's not my data I got the link from pauls 'lies' page.

Please post name and email of person dealing with I'd like to also write. Also where in their publication is the information. I'd like to reference a web page.

Half a dozen complaints and they are likely to take us seriously. One is a 'crack pot' no offence.


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The lady that contacted me is Rebecca Bell ( RBell@rac.co.uk )

She offered me a full copy of their RAC Report on Motoring, and said that she has had long and useful discussions with Paul Smith. From that I would assume she is already aware of the views on Safespeed.

Robert


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 22:00 
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motorman2 wrote:
The lady that contacted me is Rebecca Bell ( RBell@rac.co.uk )

She offered me a full copy of their RAC Report on Motoring, and said that she has had long and useful discussions with Paul Smith. From that I would assume she is already aware of the views on Safespeed.

Robert


The contact is recent. I'd say she was 'becoming aware'.

Very positive. I'm even more pleased to hear she's talking about it!

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Ialso received a reply from Rebecca Bell. She seemed a bit embarrassed over whole thing. She seemed to imply that the RAC had been quoted out of context.

Having said that the damage was already done.


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I also wrote to her regarding the Rac report and suggested she speak to Paul.
She said that future survey questions will be looked at after i suggested they stop using the usual " do you think speeding drivers should be jailed" etc etc.
Quite a constructive response from her.


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