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So, I was watching Tonight With Trevor McDonald last night, and they were talking about various car safety measures.

At one point they talked about GPS Speed Limiters, and the guy they interviewed claimed that if all cars had speed limiters fitted, it would result in a 66% fall in road deaths.

Now, as far as I was aware, even the most devout Speed Kills policy supporters only claim it's responsible for one third of road accidents; and as we know speed in excess of the limit is actually only the cause of about 3% of accidents.

So how on earth did they come up with 66%? Have they been using scamera partnership statistics and assuming that the same would apply to speed limiters?

It's like those Guinness ads - 87.3% of statistics are made up on the spot

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

The most worrying part for me is that I'm convinced that introduction of "Intelligent Speed Adaptation" (ISA) will result in a massive increase in accidents. It's bad enough now with the scameratsi convincing the public that their primary responsibility toward road safety is to keep within the speed limit. I can only imagine with dread the attitude that ISA would foster; "I must be safe because my car won't let me travel at unsafe speeds".

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Will

I will not have one of those devices in my car. I'd sooner go to jail.

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Peter

Labour will cotton onto this, vote the buggers out people!!

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'Detritus, get yer stoney arse over ere'

I believe they are trying to get these via the insurance company. It will not be a point of legal enforcement, more a point of can you afford to insure your car without one fitted.

We only need look at trucking accident's, to see the effect on car accidents.

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Steve

Then I'll join the illegals, and not have insurance. Simple as that.

If they want me to become a criminal, I'll not disappoint.
Let's face it, 95% of us are going to get banned.

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Peter

As many others will, i feel

Get an old car, without any of teh electrics, that way the speed cannot be controlled.

I have built a car with an old ford lump, and fitted a turbo, (lotus seven, chassis), lightweight & masses of power.

NO electrics that anyone can tap into

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Steve

Yet more proof, if any where needed, on the ever widening gap between the general public and the law.

Ineffective road safety policies, coupled with financial incentive has completely alienated a previously supportive population. Surely enough is enough, there is a forthcoming election, I hope everyone makes their views known.

Who do you vote for, that would really make a differance

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Steve

To be honest I don't think it makes a great deal of difference who is in power. No party seems to genuinely put the interests of the people first in this country. You would not see the French put up with the sort of rubbish that we have to here!

I feel the best way forward is to vote tactically against the government even if this means voting for a party you do not particularly like.

I believe that the current Labour government was voted in by around 25% of the electorate due to record numbers on non-voters. This is hardly democratic!

And let's face it, this is never going to be an issue that the election is faught on. However bad speed cameras get, unemployment and the health service are always going to be more important factors for 99% of people to decide their vote on.

Good point, but with the top 2 parties having such similar policies, future elections outcomes could be decided on who most favours the motorist. There are after all more motorists than unemployed/sick people, and everyone can be caught out by the current dictatorships road policies.

I personally don't think the conservatives have a chance, but if the election was next year, I think by then Howard would be able to demonstrate he has control of his party, and that the conservatives could make a viable government. So I guess we will still have comrade Blair and his sell outs in charge for another 4 years.

As for the liberals, forget it, I used to support them in the Paddy days, but now they are a bunch of simpering irrelivent idiots (well that's my opinion).

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From what I remember of the report into the original trial it was littered with "we believe" and "we think" and "possibly" cropped up a lot. It also skimmed over the negative aspects, such as an increased tendancy to tailgate and take chances at junctions because they "believe" these side effects will reduce once drivers get used to the system.

But think how clear the roads would be for those with licenses!

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And of course you can never do a proper experiment with it, as to establish the overall effect on driver behaviour you need a situation where all, or virtually all, the vehicles have limiters.

Perhaps they could try it in the Isle of Man - I'm sure it would go down well there

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Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

That's right - the only people who care about speed cameras are speeders.

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But virtually everyone's a 'speeder'.

Wrong - I am extremely worried about the distraction element, and the abuse of process.

And I care about cameras.

And I'm not a speeder.

But mandatory 'Intelligent Speed Adaptation' would be a disaster.

I think there could be a case for an ISA system whereby exceeding the speed limit by 10%+ in residential/ risk areas causes a 'pinging' sound in the car, much like the sound emitted in many vehicles when seat belts are not applied.
This would alert the driver to the fact that his speed is creeping up, and would be an encouragement to trim it back.

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