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In the past few weeks, four Gatsos in Stockport MBC have been removed.

These two on the A6 in Hazel Grove (where the central reserve has been removed to provide turning lanes):



This one, on the A34 in a ridiculous 50 limit:



And this one on the A6 in Heaton Chapel:



Having posted the pics, there seems to be a common factor, that all are in locations in the centre of the road where servicing them may be dangerous.

But hopefully it's the start of a trend...

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Blimey? Are they going to use vans? or stealth mobiles?

Or perhaps .. no danger really We no longer target one area because nothing happened to justify the "watch-see-lurk"

I am not sure of these areas Peter. It's years since I worked with GMP now.


I will assume they have some other enforcement programme in place.. as in unmarked stealthers at hot peak danger times?

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That one on the A34 looks like it really needs to be a 50MPH limit....NOT!!

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From a lot of the camera photos I've seen most of them seem to be located at the bottom of a hill. I'm sure its so you pick up speed without realising and don't have time to readjust, comparision to Irish legislation where the Gardaí can't do their speed checks at the bottom of the hill, has to be on a flat or uphill section.

It was I who told Peter about these removed Gatsos.

Only the A34 camera was at the bottom of the hill. The others were on flat stretches.



If so they would catch many people on the A34 (myself included). The average speed - traffic jams excepted - must be at least 60. This is quite reasonable given the ridiculous speed limit. However Greater Manchester has - so far - had a sensible approach to enforcement. Let's hope it stays that way.

I should add that the excuse for lowering the limit was that people were crashing into a roundabout. This still happens.

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I have seen very little evidence of Talivan enforcement in Greater Manchester, tbh.


Well, they still crash into the roundabout that has extended 30 limits on both approaches

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Per my sisters -they've only noticed vans at Raikes Lane .. Hale from A56 Dunham Junction ..and the Haugh nearer to Darcy Lever????

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From what I understand, the long term plan is to monitor vehicles using gps, and install speed limiters. The idea is to locate the car's position, and force compliance with the speed limit as obtained from a national speed limit database. In which case there will be no need for Talivans or speed cameras will there?

Of course the government has a wonderful track record with advanced IT projects, so this will proceed within budget and without any snags - like several NHS projects I could mention. And of course the "national speed limit database" will be up to date, so that vehicles will be limited to the correct speed limit. And of course there are no safety issues with being unable to use a quick turn of speed to avoid a potential incident. Or with removing effective control of the vehicle from the driver.

This government seems increasingly obsessed with enforcement of numerical speed limits, rather than focussing on quality of driving, awareness and road improvements. Of course there is plenty of money available for this sort of thing in the present climate.

Got that off my chest. Feel much better now.

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I think they are planning to use the new cameras first recognising that they will collect more fines, and then after more trails (until they get the responses they want), - then, they will launch this ISA nonsense.

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Following from todays news (that something like 20% of accidents have a basic causation of drivers falling asleep at the wheel) the government announced that all cars will be equipped with "awake detectors".
These will closely monitor drivers eye movements to detect drifting-off conditions.
Of course, with most roads being boring the AD will have to be equipped with a gps-based unit so that it can be programmed with the most boring roads in the country, or those most likely to have hoardings with party-political messages on them.
The AD units will not have a control function, they will however be programmed to emit a loud squeal upon detecting sleep-mode conditions: the squeal will be quite unlike any normal human sound and be based on the sound emitted by most MPs' when they realise their constituents have sussed them as crooks and charlatans.

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56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

Which must be why they are now in the process of replacing it with two new cameras, one for each direction.

I'll post a picture tomorrow if I can.

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I've got some photos of the cameras now. They're not particularly good, as it was dull and raining slightly, and they've been dumbed down to death to meet the size limits. They're clearly monitrons. Anybody know what the blue pole is for?

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Picture of these cameras taken earlier today:



Remember this is a 50 limit

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How long has that 50 limit been there? Long enough to ask the council for before-and-after casualty figures for the road?

The road was opened in 1995. I'm not certain exactly when the limit was reduced, but it must have been around 1997. The cameras went in several years later.

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Anyone notice the dent in the barrier right on the camera lines? Wonder how that got there

Am I correct in saying that this pic is of the same camera site?

This one, on the A34 in a ridiculous 50 limit:



If they are the same notice no dent in the barrier.

Yes, same location (as I think I said before) - the one showing the bridge and the single Gatso was taken about six years ago, though.

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Wow! This road must be so dangerous they had to replace the one Gatso with two Monitrons!

Want to bet the dent in the barrier was caused by someone swerving under panic braking?

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More like:
Want to bet the dent in the barrier was caused by someone swerving to avoid the driver infront who saw the camera and panic braked?

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Destroys half of the post I was going to make but the point is still valid and has already been made.