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Post subject: Young drivers 'more supportive of safety cameras' (than 45+)

Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 09:53

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Young drivers 'more supportive of safety cameras'
Friday, 7th August, 2009
Young drivers are the most supportive of speed cameras, a new study by the Institute of Advanced Motorists (IAM) has found.

The research showed that 17 to 24-year-olds gave the highest approval ratings for the devices, having a more positive attitude towards them than many older people. Those aged over 45 were the least supportive.

Neil Greig, director of research and policy for the IAM, suggests the fact that younger have grown up in a “surveillance society” may have something to do with the results and that many people still think that the main job of these devices is to raise money.

The research also found that women are generally more supportive of the cameras.

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A new type of speed camera that works in pairs in order to calculate a vehicle’s average speed over a distance of up to 6 miles is to be introduced on British motorways and in residential areas.

The ‘average speed cameras’ are currently in use on motorways during road works, and following these trials the government is expected to use the new technology as a replacement for Gatso and Truvelo cameras, which measure speed over only a short distance.

A spokesperson for the Environmental Transport Association (ETA) said: “The stretches of motorway currently covered by average speed cameras are arguably the only bits of road in Britain where every vehicle is driving at, or below, the limit.”

“No traffic camera system is a panacea, but average speed cameras will deliver environmental and safety gains – particularly in residential areas.”

Average speed cameras
Using cameras to measure the average speed travelled over a distance is much more effective than single standing cameras – simply because drivers cannot speed up between cameras. Average speed cameras are also better than road humps. Road humps are often only cushions and larger vehicles can go over them far faster than small vehicles, which encourages some people to buy bigger off-road vehicles.

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Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:19

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A spokesperson for the Environmental Transport Association (ETA) said: “The stretches of motorway currently covered by average speed cameras are arguably the only bits of road in Britain where every vehicle is driving at, or below, the limit.”

Plus about 95% of the mileage of unclassified NSL rural roads. Not to mention most residential streets where the limit remains at 30.

And motorcycles are immune to SPECS anyway :roll:

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Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 11:05

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RAC had interestign take on this story as they seem to suggest that our young have "grown up with surveillance society" und thus "acccept beint watched" whereas our generation are the free spirits who grew up in the surge nd aftermath of the swinging 60s rebels :lol:

. You could say our children are rebelling against our "blithe spirits" :shock:

or they have been "got at" by the loonies in charge of "ed-decay-shun" (und a deliberate spelling mistake on that word too :roll:

) But you only need look at the text books they use in schools to see the apparent indoctrination of "all things greener than thou" - but all of these green measures also have a cost to the planet which in time may prove to be the more costly und detrimental. Certainly the bin thing with the little cams ist a purely money grabbing headline stunt for all. :roll:

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Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:49

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Thats how totalitarianisim works.

You take away freedoms slowly so it happens under the peoples radar (They may well notice (and grumble), but each incrimental loss is too small to provoke outright rebellion.)

You target the young with propaganda.

And 10 years down the line everybody accepts it as perfectly right and normal!

At the risk of invoking "Godwins Law", most of the people working at Auchwitz were young, many little more than teenagers, few felt they were actually doing anything wrong!

The Nazi party came to power (IIRC) in 1933!

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Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 13:11

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I can't believe how so much good NSL road round Shropshire is SLOWLY being eaten up with Double White Lines. Everywhere I travel now the Double whites seem to be growing overnight, even on perfectly good overtaking straights. It's almost as though the councils have taken H&S to it's limit by thinking that if there are no overtaking stretches left, then they can't be sued if someone gets killed overtaking on a stretch of road that they haven't covered.

Combined with the 40-45 crawlers, it means that long journeys are now taking so much longer , when you can rarely get above 45MPH anywhere now.

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weepej

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Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 13:25

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Dusty wrote:

You take away freedoms slowly

What, freedoms to drive at what speed you like in heavy motorised vehicles?

Good!

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Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 13:41

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PeterE wrote:

And motorcycles are immune to SPECS anyway :roll:

Yes indeed!

We're not immune to people that hit the end of the zone, and go into "cruise control" (whether accurate or figurative) and lose all concept of lane discipline (what little there was before these days!) blocking up the road. These stretches really do paint a terrifying picture of what the roads would be like if everyone travelled at the same speed all the time. Its not a nice place to be as a vulnerable road user.

Weepie, what is the problem with driving at the speed you like, so long as it does not have a negative impact on the safety of yourself or others?

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Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 13:45

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weepej wrote:

Dusty wrote:

You take away freedoms slowly

What, freedoms to drive at what speed you like in heavy motorised vehicles?

Good!

That freedom (to drive at what speed you like) exists everywhere.
There is nothing to stop anyone driving at whatever speed he/she likes, except the law which will penalise you if you are apprehended. But the law does not stop you.
And the vast majority of accidents happen at below the speed limits for the road on which they occur.
I am perfectly free to drive my motorcycle at 160 mph, wherever I like.
I chose to drive at (or below) the limit because it is more "sociable" (note that neither speed cams (front tagging) nor average speed cams are a danger to m/cycles)

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Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 13:59

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weepej wrote:

What, freedoms to drive at what speed you like in heavy motorised vehicles?

Good!

Indeed it is. I don't believe this campaign has called for anything different.

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Dusty

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Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 14:03

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weepej wrote:

Dusty wrote:

You take away freedoms slowly

What, freedoms to drive at what speed you like in heavy motorised vehicles?

Good!

Do you really think that covering the country with ANPR systems is just about improving road safety and catching a few tax/insurance dodgers??

There are both cheaper AND more effective ways of doing both of these things!

Do you Really think that the massive survalance effort that has gone into establishing the greater london LEZ is just about stopping a few old trucks from driving into the city??

Really??

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graball

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Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 15:03

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y weepej

Dusty wrote:You take away freedoms slowly

What, freedoms to drive at what speed you like in heavy motorised vehicles?

Good!

What about a persons freedom to travel at a safe , comfortable speed, that gets you from A to B in a reasonable time without frustration and inconvenience or harm to anyone? Is that not important, Weepej? The more that you limit peoples freedom over given stretches, the more unneccessary risks they will take on the unrestricted stretches of road to make up lost time.

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Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 18:57

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weepej wrote:

Dusty wrote:

You take away freedoms slowly

What, freedoms to drive at what speed you like in heavy motorised vehicles?

Good!

Don't be an ass. There's rather more to it than that.

Best wishes all,
Dave.

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kiteless

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Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 20:09

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graball wrote:

Having organised a Shropshire PH run-out last year, our county still has lots of excellent driving roads!

Which reminds me, I need to put the finishing touches to this year's Shrops / Staffs run..........

The Staffordshire bit is more difficult due to the huge number of scameras and draconian speed limits

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Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 21:06

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weepej wrote:

Dusty wrote:

You take away freedoms slowly

What, freedoms to drive at what speed you like in heavy motorised vehicles?

Good!

Depends on the road and circumstances weepy. :wink:

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Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 21:31

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kiteless wrote:

graball wrote:

Hello

Heck . We drove through Shropshire on recent jolly hols. Wildy wanted to enjoy England and we hit Ludlow >> mmmmmmm! Food on offer.. My God! BLISS :cloud9:

We hit rural Staffs.. Herts.. before rejoining M5 nd stopping in Devon rural for a truly :cloud9:

experience of England's finest Fayre :cloud9:

Roads ..

Both of us admit .. pure unadulterated JOY! Scenery.. fantastic. Skills required of us .. a refreshing challenge :cloud9; Wildy did get behind the wheel after a few months of following doctor's order" and she still has that "MAGIC" withn her :bow:

The way she just "tamed the twists" and seemed "at one and at ease with her car" - a joy for me to observe :clap:

Yep - we agree .. The Staffs bit seemed akin to Lancs as in Kodak Countyn .. but rural Staffs? Beautiful rural landscape.. you do not need to drive too fast here. Chill . relax .. and drink in the scenery as it's just truly GORGEOUS! We do .. but we love the beauty of our country and we savour each second of it - even more now
I suppose when a "new way of life beckons us". Arizona - happy to say .. will be home from home .. but a bit warmer climate-wise :wink:

As Wildy says - we have kids here. We have relatives and pals here. We have close ties and we will be commuting often anyway
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weepej

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Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 22:05

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graball wrote:

You need to blame the right people graball.

That's not the people that put the white lines there you need to be blaming, it's the people that drive like idiots and crash that you should be blaming.

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weepej

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Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 22:07

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graball wrote:

The more that you limit peoples freedom over given stretches, the more unneccessary risks they will take on the unrestricted stretches of road to make up lost time.

And the more will crash trying to make up time and the more roads will become restricted.

And they've only got themselves to blame.

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kiteless

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Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 22:13

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Whenever you're in Salop, you'll always be welcome Mogs! Just drop me a line, and I can give you a smorgasbord of A and B road joyousness. It's a shame you didn't visit Ludlow a few years ago. Shaun has recently closed The Merchant House, and Claude Bosi has moved Hibiscus to Londinium. However, Mr Underhill's still upholds Ludlow's gourmet reputation!

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Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 22:32

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weepej

graball wrote:The more that you limit peoples freedom over given stretches, the more unneccessary risks they will take on the unrestricted stretches of road to make up lost time.

And the more will crash trying to make up time and the more roads will become restricted.

And they've only got themselves to blame.

WELL DONE, Weepej, you are at last starting to see sense and think like a proper driver....of course MORE people will have accidents, that's exactly MY POINT. Restricting peoples freedom to drive safely causes MORE potential accident black spots.

The people putting the white lines down are like you, they DON'T understand driving. Otherwise why put white lines where it IS safe to overtake and then finish them only fifty yards from a blind bend?

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Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 22:36

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I am REALLY impressed Weepej, I will award you 10/10 for that last answer and a gold star... ;-)

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