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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 20:02 
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YES ITS TRUE!

Economic Growth returns!

The Government says so and the Government would never try to mislead us!

What twaddle! 0.1%!

When you consider the amount of spin and massaging that must have gone into achiving even that figure we are still likly looking at a contraction of a couple of %'s

Admittedly its "Alex Jones" but I read an article the other day that suggested that the worst is yet to come since there is another, even larger, tranch of US Sub-Prime mortgages due to hit the system next year (I think the concern is over "Low start" sub-prime mortgages that are ending their "Low start" period next year and may trigger a new wave of defaults when the mortgagees are unable to afford the higher interest rates)

Hold on to your hats!

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 20:05 
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The rough ride is yet to come, we can take it. :twisted:


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 20:22 
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The problem to our banks only started when they purchased the no-asset dept.
One hopes they have learned since then.
Maybe the rest of the world will learn not to buy from bankers holding dept with no assets.
Or not.

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56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 22:36 
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The Telegraph's Matt cartoonist was as spot on as ever.

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Matt is jolly clever - I wish I'd thought of that!

It's difficult to know what to do really. As an engineer in industry, it's all to easy for me to say we ought to be manufacturing more. I despise thees bankers who seem to make a (very good!) living simply "buying and selling money". To me, the whole Western economy is like one big pyramid sales scam. We buy stuff that we can't afford in order to keep ourselves in jobs so that we can earn money to buy more stuff that we can't afford....and so on. My (admittedly naive) take on all this is that the bankers have now bought and sold all the money there is, and in order to maintain "growth", they're now selling the same stuff that they've already sold - but in different wrapping.

Now come the revolution, only people with skills that are actually useful useful will be able to make a living. People who can make things, grow things, fix things etc....


...but the only way that can work and be sustainable is (I think) if none of us (OK, most of us in the West at least) have as much as we've got now, and that's not overly appealing either!


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 23:19 
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Now come the revolution, only people with skills that are actually useful useful will be able to make a living. People who can make things, grow things, fix things etc....


Hear, hear. If we were to have a nuclear holocast what use bankers, council officials and SCPs to the survivors then?

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To me, the whole Western economy is like one big pyramid sales scam.


The entire economic paradigm is based on the need for continual growth. You don't really need to be a mathematical genius to realise that continual geometric growth of consumption within a finite set of resources is ultimately unsustainable. Malthus pointed this out over 200 years ago but economists and politicians have been carefully ignoring him ever since.

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Now come the revolution, only people with skills that are actually useful useful will be able to make a living. People who can make things, grow things, fix things etc....


And people who can arrange that the people making, growing and fixing have the resources and materials they need always available. To facilitate the rapid and easy interchange of these thing they will need to invent some intangible concept of portable worth. They might call it munny. :)

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Hear, hear. If we were to have a nuclear holocast what use bankers, council officials and SCPs to the survivors then?


They will be the only ones with they keys to the nuclear bunkers and the stockpiles of food. :o

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Hear, hear. If we were to have a nuclear holocast what use bankers, council officials and SCPs to the survivors then?


They will be the only ones with they keys to the nuclear bunkers and the stockpiles of food. :o


Who will be met at the door by a large army of unfriendly locals....both on the way in, and even less friendly when the underground shelterers come out...

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dcbwhaley wrote:
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Hear, hear. If we were to have a nuclear holocast what use bankers, council officials and SCPs to the survivors then?


They will be the only ones with they keys to the nuclear bunkers and the stockpiles of food. :o


Who will be met at the door by a large army of unfriendly locals....both on the way in, and even less friendly when the underground shelterers come out...


my dad used to say it'd be hilarious if there was a nuclear war and "we" all got wiped out, but all the govm./local councils with their nuclear bunkers survived.

*The day day they come out their bunkers to rebuild society..*

"right, can you build a house?"

"er, no, but I can tell someone else if they're allowed to build one or not"

"right, can you get this old car working?"

"er no, but I can tell you where you're not allowed to park it"

etc etc. their downfall would be poetic, as they realise they are indeed thoroughly worthless..

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"DEVILS ADVOCAT MODE on"
Did you see the program where the chap from Grand Designs went to stay in darivi, Mumbai's slum.
12 people living in a tiny 2 story house built over an open sewer. People stripping wire, crushing cuircit boards, burning paint off tins, repaint them, then clearing the factory space to sleep and eat?

government prevents bad practice, dangerous occupations, poor living conditions. It prevents the man next door making explosives,

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I expect there are people in Government who know and understand what is going on and where the truth is being perverted, but very few dare to speak out and risk getting their heads shot off. I’m no different if I’m honest but because I don’t see my future in this country and it has screwed me so much I have given up, like so many others.

The Government always wants for a solution except from the very people who know and matter. Us sheeple can tell the truth but if it’s not what they want to hear, or not profitable, it is utterly pointless. Like a Chinese whisper, the root problem becomes a moot problem as it works its way to the top and there can’t be anyone here who has “attended the university of life” who doesn’t know and understand this concept. One sure way of bringing sanity back to speed and road safety is if the Gov could make or save money from doing so and you would soon see a retraction of the speed kills message.

So whether it's the Government or a big company, in my experience and reading of history - it is just history repeating itself. Yes, we know things are wrong and untrue but 'they' are not motivated by truth; they are motivated by power and money and always have been.

This is what Petronius had to say back in 210 B.C!!!

"We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form up into teams, we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing; and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion, inefficiency, and demoralization."

Some things never change…

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Big Tone wrote:
Some things never change…


Including people miss-attributing that quotation to Petronius(210BC) rather than Charlton Ogburn (1957) :D

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Some things never change…


Including people miss-attributing that quotation to Petronius(210BC) rather than Charlton Ogburn (1957) :D
Hey I'm just a avid reader; I can't help if the sources are wrong. But having Googled Mr Ogburn I see you are right. :x

I hate it when he's right ;)

Actually it's Charlton Ogburn Jr so technically, technically, you are wrong.

I win! :hehe:

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"DEVILS ADVOCAT MODE on"
Did you see the program where the chap from Grand Designs went to stay in darivi, Mumbai's slum.
12 people living in a tiny 2 story house built over an open sewer. People stripping wire, crushing cuircit boards, burning paint off tins, repaint them, then clearing the factory space to sleep and eat?

government prevents bad practice, dangerous occupations, poor living conditions. It prevents the man next door making explosives,


...although clearly, the Indian goverment hasn't! :)


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government prevents bad practice, dangerous occupations, poor living conditions. It prevents the man next door making explosives,


All of extreme use after a holocaust, especially the poor living conditions....;-)

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Big Tone wrote:
Actually it's Charlton Ogburn Jr so technically, technically, you are wrong.I win! :hehe:


"If a man believes that the Earth if flat he is wrong. And if another man believes that the earth is a sphere he is also wrong. But a man who believes that they are both equally wrong is even more wrong" :D :D

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Actually it's Charlton Ogburn Jr so technically, technically, you are wrong.I win! :hehe:


"If a man believes that the Earth if flat he is wrong. And if another man believes that the earth is a sphere he is also wrong. But a man who believes that they are both equally wrong is even more wrong" :D :D
:lol:

Personally I think the world is not only flat but rests on the backs of four huge elephants which are in turn standing on the back of an enormous turtle. Hard to believe people once really believed that stuff. It's almost as absurd as speed kills and the recession is over. :D

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Hard to believe people once really believed that stuff. It's almost as absurd as speed kills


No. There was no way for the people of that time to conclusively disprove the elephant/turtle theory whereas "Speed Kills" has been disproved many times over.

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Recession? What recession?

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Hard to believe people once really believed that stuff.


Of course, we still do!

Its just that the names have changed.

Matter is made from Atoms..

Which are made from Neutrons, Protons and Electrons

Which are made from Quarks (Well, not the electrons)

Which are held together with Gluons.

And so on....

All the way down! (It would seem)

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