Why the concentration on momentum ?
I think Big Tone makes a very valid point too when he writes,
Big Tone wrote:
If you needed to know the technical details and physics behind riding a bike, most of us would never have learnt. As Steve puts it so well...
.. and then quotes Steve's valid points, that you have yet to debate?
I think that when people drive or ride, we don't think too much about all the mechanics (although I probably do more than most as it happens) but what makes a good driver/rider, and how much does 'momentum' and any learning thereof benefit their abilities to drive more safely?
Might I be correct in thinking too that you think that momentum resolves down to the fundamental issue with travelling 'safely'?
stephenn wrote:
SafeSpeedv2 wrote:
Momentum (as has been explained to me by a top high performance driving consultant (also teaches anti-hijack driving too ...) is not the factor involved when someone spins off the road as has been more commonly thought.
Can he get me a drive on touring cars somewhere?
(not hi-jack one though).
Sadly he has al but retired from direct instruction but still consults with various high up authorities.
stephenn wrote:
Bit more physics at more extreme travelling.... but momentum is still a factor... the v in p=mv has both a speed and a direction aware... a vector.... if you travel at high speed ahead then turn left a bit sharpish... lots of extra physics...
The crucial point here isn't the physics but the way in which the person failed to read the road and 'turn a bit sharpish' in the first place. So if I was sitting in the vehicle and discussing it the conversation to help would not be about the physics involved but their failure to observe, consider, anticipate ... and perhaps about skid control had things gone from bad to worse.
Even had they already understood the physics of movement, the fact that they failed to apply proper vehicle control makes the safety difference.
Knowledge is good, but many cannot put that into practice but might agree that it sounds 'good'.
stephenn wrote:
even a spinning car has a straight line velocity unless it starts bouncing off things.
But a skilled driver/rider may control the skid without any understanding of the physics but do so by feel and experience.
How much value do you credit to experience over pure theory if they were pitched against each other ?
stephenn wrote:
Hi performance for speed means you can dial in the momentum at extraordinary rates (the driver will testify to this... will be pinned back in seat as car is first to have momentum transfered... the internal organs will be pinned back in the body as the body is ahead of these to have the momentum transferred)....
Whilst one might use all the power that a vehicle can give, it is balanced and carefully considered with
every current and important factor - when done well by a skilled good driver.
In fact the organs are the last to react not first being the third injury in accidents.
However high performance driving is way beyond what you are proposing here (although always interesting to discuss - in another topic).
But I will just say- that is taught though experience, (some classroom theory to show certain aspects), and to gain knowledge and increase ability, awareness, attitude, appreciation, fine tune anticipation, observation, control, comprehension etc ...
stephenn wrote:
The vehicles have mega efficient brakes.... so they can dial the momentum out of the vehicle at extraordinary rates (ask the driver to testify to this as the opposite of car, body and organs occurs).
The brakes which I agree may be larger and more efficient in what maybe considered high performance vehicles, but have little to do with being a better and safer driver. If you rely on brakes
alone to stop you then one would not be considered very good! Of course some high performance can be achieved through slower vehicles as it can be technique that can give an 'edge', in some situations, than car 'performance'.
stephenn wrote:
if it turns out drivers (road drivers) are responsible for the m and v of the vehicle they are in charge of....
IF of course drivers are responsible for their actions, in the same way if I travel one step.
We have tests to try and ensure that we can travel safely when we are in a motor vehicle. When we were kids we were taught how to behave from school and parents teachings. The way that our culture places the burden of habits and expectations onto each generation helps to motivate and continue those expectations.
stephenn wrote:
is it beyond their intelligence to be introduced/educated to use these terms... and stimulate conversation on the subject of road awareness.... perhaps on things they already know.... but with new terms.... where appropriate of course
Ah well here in lies the heart of your concept. Yes, it
is beyond most people interest. They may understand the facts when explained but not relate it or remember it's significance when actually driving to the shops or to work.
stephenn wrote:
new terminology for perhaps known situations = new conversations = perhaps fresh or refresh awareness - perhaps those EXTRA conversations, bunging in objectives such as mass speed with direction awareness, in stead of, or to augment more subjective sentences.
Whilst it is not impossible, ti will be hard and cost a lot of time and effort for the real achievements IMHO. However, does it 'matter' to tell people in this way, when other more easily understood and appreciated phrases already exist to improve road safety ?
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