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have a look at this beauty of a site, there is a survey on the Essex part of the site, apparantly speed cameras are great and we all love 'em. It needs a more analitical person than me to diesect the info. Plenty of propaganda though

If it wasn't so serious, I could have had a good laugh at some fo the twaddle on Essex's site....

I know Essex women have a reputation for lack of intelligence, but even they could not be fooled by this, surely!

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Time to take responsibility for our actions.. and don't be afraid of speaking out!

As around 60% of the 'random' sample were female - and, presumably, nearly 100% of them Essex girls - the only surprise is that the yes and no answers to the leading questions were actually 'as required'

Email sent to Essex Scammers:-

Did you leave out the histogram for the initial filter question 'Do you think George Bush is a clever man?', then interviewing only those who answered 'yes'?

In all my contacts with my fellow motorists, I know of only two that think that speed cameras are effective - and they are two of the worst drivers I have ever met; never exceeding the posted limit, but committing the most frightening acts of automotive imbecility on a regular basis.
The rest agree that speed cameras are operated purely for profit, they do nothing whatsoever to improve driver safety and are purely present to raise revenue for a spendthrift Government.
The real answer is to return police patrols to the roads where instant advice, correction and, if necessary, prosecution can be issued on-the-spot. There is no money to be made from this system but, if the 'safety partnerships' really are about road safety and not just making a fast buck, they should support this idea wholeheartedly.
As a final observation, the website's assertion that most accidents happen in limits of 40mph or below scuppers the idiot idea of making all rural road limits in this country 40 mph. On this premise, the rural road casualties will increase...

The assuption that all drivers are criminals waiting to be caught is a downright insult and the latest edict that the police will 'be watching out for those that avoid prosecution via loopholes' verges on Stalinism.

Speed does not kill - inappropriate behaviour does...

Won't do any good, but I feel better for it!

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Aquila



Licat volare si super tergum aquila volat...

There's a reason they always use this exact wording: "Should cameras be supported as a means of reducing casualties?"

Note they are not asking do you support cameras as they are currently used, or even if you support them at all. They are telling you in the question that cameras DO reduce casualties, and are asking whether you support that. No wonder people say yes. But it's hugely misleading to take this as a mark of approval.

well I have not long returned home to the midlands from North Yorks and must say the standard of driving without much of a visible Police deterrent nowadays is abysmal and downright dangerous.............and getting worse

I blame the scamera led road safety idiots for this

You must have met my sister in law. She never exceeds the speed limit, ever. Well no that's not true. She often creeps up to 32, then suddenly realises she is "speeding", and drops into third to get her back to 29 mph. She never drives on motorways, as they're "too dangerous". (Well they would be at the speed she drives at.) However when she arrived at a roadworks traffic light at a junction - which had for good reason been placed several yards further back than the permanent light position - I had to shout "don't go any further", as she was about to move up to the stop line (where it normally is), about three yards past the temporary traffic light. If she'd stopped there, she would have prevented HGVs turning left into the road and caused chaos.

The icing on the cake is that when I'm a passenger, she often asks, "is the speed limit 30?" when in fact it's 40. Of course she'd been driving at betweeen 29 and 32 mph in the 40 area, because she was so busy looking at her speedo that she failed to see the 40 sign.

Ah, a safe driver who understands that speed kills!

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Brian

No, I for one hate the speed cameras. This smacks of an Orwellian society trying to stop us enjoying ourselves. We do not need someone to tell us what maximum speed we may travel, we can work this out for ourselves. Every driver I know says the same, so it is not just me. We should be allowed to travel at whatever speed we like or feel comfortable with ourselves. I know I will not drive into any stationary object, why would I? It would be a daft thing to do! As for the 30mph limit, everyone knows that at that kind of speed one would not actally arrive at ones destination.
This is the 21st century, and car is the chosen method of travel, and it is not fair to impose unjust restrictions on the majority choice of travel. Yes there are accidents, but that is why we have hospitals and life/health insurance. Those that are not prepared to accept the risk of higher speed travel should stay at home and watch telly, and leave the rest of us to enjoy our cars!

Rant over (for the moment)
;-o

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Always remember; It is not possible to reach a destination if you do not travel fast!

Gosh, that's fantastic. Can you explain this assertion? No, because it's complete tosh.

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COAST Not just somewhere to keep a beach.

A young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless, in a world of criminals who operate above the law.

Either you're trolling or haven't looked at what SafeSpeed's aims are...


I don't like them either, in fact you'll find very few people here who do... But not because they "stop us enjoying ourselves"... It's for a much more serious reason, namely that they contribute nothing to road safety and may even be instrumental in making things worse.


Probably almost every driver who's just been extracted from the wreckage (assuming they're still in a condition to speak) will say exactly the same thing... The simple fact is that we need limits, if nothing else as an indicator of "hazard density" on a piece of road - especially useful to new or inexperienced drivers. It also provides a convenient "tool" for prosecuting those who are blatantly out of touch with reality.


Daft it may be, but a lot of supposedly competent drivers still manage to do it.


At times, on the M6 in the morning, one dreams of reaching the giddy speed that is 30mph!


Properly set speed limits are not an "unjust restriction" - especially if they are policed sensibly. Unfortunately, too many limits are being set for "political" rather than "road safety" reasons, and thanks to "PC Gatso" they're not policed sensibly either - but it still doesn't invalidate the concept of limits.


Most road users have very little or no choice about whether they use their cars or not. Many of them will not want to "accept the risk of higher speed travel" - are you suggesting that they should be confined under house arrest so that you and your mates can hoon around the place unmolested?

If you do, you're in the wrong place!

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"Politicians are the same the world over... We build bridges where there aren't any rivers." - Nikita Kruschev

Yes, how dare the government and police try to stop dickheads like you from KILLING innocent people by driving dangerously...

You obviously can't, you selfish tosser.

Let me guess:
1) You are a very angry individual who spends all his time in his car with his heart rate over 100, constantly feeling adrenal dump, and you view every other vehicle on the road as some kind of 'threat' to you.
2) You spend all your time while you are driving, thinking about where you are going and who is there, rather than concentrating on the REALITY around you.
3) You are a self-obsessed idiot who thinks that driving a 'flash' car really fast makes you somehow a better, more desirable human being.
4) You are deeply unhappy (since you completely lack empathy, you also therefore lack love, and since love=happiness, you can never know real happiness) and will never change, arrogant prick that you are.

Am I getting warm, asshole?

One day you'll cripple or kill somebody, maybe a child, maybe a baby, and you'll STILL convince yourself that it wasn't your fault.

I agree, if you're on a racetrack and there's nobody else on the road. You idiot.
If you're so 'hard' why aren't you serving in Iraq, hard man?
If you want to kill yourself, then PLEASE KILL YOURSELF, and stop destroying everybody else's lives.

You need help. Urgently. You have something WRONG WITH YOU, like all the other dickheads on this forum. 'Safe' speed indeed.
A bunch of arrogant, aggressive, TERRIFIED idiots who feel really uncomfortable every second they are in a car.
Have you morons never stopped to ask yourselves WHY?

I'll tell you why. There is SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOU, and you need to stop running from your fear. Pathetic imbeciles.


Oh, your compassion runneth over!
You're obviously just the sort of caring human being we need more of!
Do 'hospitals and life/health insurance' bring the 4,000 dead back to life each year?
Wanker.



Yes, until you drive up behind me in your car, asshole, because then I'm taking the film straight to the police...

Find a cliff and jump off it, hard man, there's plenty of 'speed' there for you. That will no doubt save numerous innocent people from suffering at your hands, selfish loser.

both posts worthy of suspension

Now done re mosis2

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

This 2002 leaflet is still being heralded on thier website looks like there are so many claims using dodgey statistics it could be an easy ASA win.

"The total number of KSI in pilot areas is down by 18%" (did they ask the casulty unit whether there was a reduction?)

"more (cameras) is less, safetey cameras are helping reduce crashes and casualties. They ARE working"

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

Actually, they only penalise speed over the limit, they DONT penalise driving dangerously, and they DONT STOP anybody - policemen do that, but not cameras.

Oh, and if you hit that little girl at 30 there's an 80% chance she'll live - or a 20% chance she'll DIE. SURELY avoiding hitting her at all is the best course of action!

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Time to take responsibility for our actions.. and don't be afraid of speaking out!

If the post from Moses 2 wasn't so offensive I'd find it funny. S/He obviously has issues

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Science won over religion when they started installing lightning rods on churches.

Is this the same person as we had before? Spelling and punctuation and even use of emphasis seems better than I recall from last time around.

To be fair, RedWoodRon also appears to be a troll - not exactly agreeing with any of the "safe" elements of Paul's message. However, Ron is anti camera so isn't banned or suspended ... c'est la vie.

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COAST Not just somewhere to keep a beach.

A young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless, in a world of criminals who operate above the law.

To be fairer, RWR doesn't appear to be showing deliberate, focussed and sustained ad hominen - misguided maybe but perhaps we can change that?

I think there are an awful lot of members here who came initially with the same attitudes as RWR. Through discussion and explanation they've realised that their views are not the views of the campaign and have either moved on or begun to change their attitudes.

Mosis on the other hand (aside from being extremely offensive and rude) obviously has very fixed ideas and has no intention of learning.

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Science won over religion when they started installing lightning rods on churches.

I would SO love to have some reasonable and intelligent posters who disagree with our ideas and beliefs.

If you're an intelligent lurker who disagrees with us, PLEASE register and set out your stall. I PROMISE to do my very best to make you welcome.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety