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Hello all,

Looks like we'll all be buying a copy of the DAILY MAIL tomorrow. The FRONT PAGE has the headline "Great Speed Gun Scandal" - as shown just now on the ITV News review of tomorrows papers.

Did they give any idea of the story?

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Less Kodak, more Kojak.
In times of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

Bring it on

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Speed camera policy Kills

I don't think they have "revealed" the flaw (but must have had help from somebody in the know, anybody we know?), but it is great to see it on a front page at last!

There is now a scanned image in media section. Any one who needs a paper copy pm me with your postal address and I will run off a copy full size.

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

Also if any one would like me to scan the front page I will add it to my post in the media section, also if anyone would like it emailed to them let me know. (better if you have broadband)

Cheers
Dixie

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Useless laws weaken necessary laws.

I did one for PepiPoo, thought i'd do one for here aswell

As poited out on pepipoo, there is a nIce callibration sticker on the LTI20/20 that says TELITRAFFIC UK

JUST SO THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT IT, IT WAS A UK VERSION WITH UK SOFTWARE

also Blackbird from PePiPoo pointed out that the Daily mail story is here It caries comments from readers. This is our chance to put our experiences, with the LTI20-20, Mr Garrett, the Crown witholding evidence etc etc

Exposure of an issue like this is hard fought for - make the most of it!

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

I can confirm, after having a chat with the Horses mouth, It was a UK police version Lti Ultralyte 100

Strange, I thought errors never happened with Franks software

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I've posted a little response just to see if the system works. Could run and run, this one, can't wait for you-know-who to join in!

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CSCP Latin for beginners...
Ticketo ergo sum : I scam therefore I am!

Does anyone else think that the issues raised thus far on these devices indicates reasonable doubt about the validity of these criminal convictions?

Reasonable doubt is all that is needed to hold a not guilty verdict.

Their use must be discontinued forthwith.

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Malcolm W.
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not represent the views of Safespeed.

definatly yes. Even if no aparant slip error is visable there is no garuntee that you are not picking up a reflected speed from another car or a train.

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

Reasonably doubt doesn't apply to speeding cases

At least not when we have the 'zone of probability' theory.

wiltshire have posted a press release.....

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

it's here: http://www.safetycameraswiltshire.co.uk ... ?newsid=95

Comments?

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

So their cameras are "Home Office Approved" and "operated in accordance" thereof. Still doesn't stop the equipment being an unreliable pile of junk. Reminds me of the oft-scrawled comment on pub toilet contraceptive machines - "Tested to BS2345" - "So was the Titanic".

It's a semi-official "my dad is bigger than your dad". I can only assume that by posting threats of "expert witnesses" (yeah!) and "recovering costs" etc that they're trying to frighten potential defendants away rather than saying anything intelligent.

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"Politicians are the same the world over... We build bridges where there aren't any rivers." - Nikita Kruschev

Big IF that one. And convenienly out of the Partnership's hands.

I am sure Dr Clarke will be appearing very soon in the witness box..

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

Exactly. It's bluff and bluster; their standard fair. Or even their standard unfair.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

Their press release doesn't say much. The fact the devices have type approval is not in question, it's the fact that their type approval should be revoked because they have been proven to... have issues

And what's up with this picture, that's the camera hole not the flash hole! Can't they get anything right?!

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Andrew.