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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:55 
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http://www.keepmoving.co.uk/driversvoice/debate.php

A debate.

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Paul I hadn't seen your latest mug shot.

You need a harley


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diy wrote:
Paul I hadn't seen your latest mug shot.

You need a harley


Donations are thataway>>>> <CLICK!> :hehe:

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Nice work Paul.

There's a one-click vote on the page, so everyone please visit even if you don't have time to read it ATM.

I see that a couple of ex-Cycling Plus trolls have commented with their usual predictable, simplistic, agenda-driven nonsense, but thankfully their comments are outnumbered 10:1 by sensible ones. While the public are broadly on side there's always hope.

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Having a go at safety cameras is an easy joke and a cheap shot. The sort of bar room conversational opening that is populist and ill considered. Technology has been applied to detecting a relatively simple offence in order that police officers can use their human attributes to detect more difficult offences. I look forward to the day when I can mechanise or automate the process of detecting some of the other poor driving habits that lead to accidents such as close following (tail gating), or failing to wear seat belts, or complying with mobile phone legislation. Until that time I'll happily support the safety cameras as they detect speeding and red light offences.

I think it's about time that those who break the law stop whinging, pay their fines and get a sense of proportion.


easy shot, cheap joke. MED, IT IS NOT WORKING! PEOPLE ARE DYING

Med thinks that mobile phones, speed and seatbelts are the only cures to road deaths. and nice little bits of gizmos can catch them all. WAKE UP!
A three year old died because it was on the housing estate spine road without an adult. People are stagering across our streets three times the dtrink drive limit. easten block drivers are strangly responsible for 15% of road deaths. but he hasn't got a gizmo to fix that.

I have posted twice on that debate. there is so much ammunition in his statements there we should capture it for the future.

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“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
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Are "keep moving" looking for a banner advert. could they contribute to funds :idea:

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code


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Nice one Paul. I've stuck in my 2p worth. Can't wait to see the results of the poll!

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anton wrote:
there is so much ammunition in his statements there we should capture it for the future.

I have, as a Word documnet, and will send you a copy.

It would also be of interest to capture the various comments. Some of them are very telling.


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I take it the link has been posted on other forums?

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diy wrote:
Paul I hadn't seen your latest mug shot.

You need a harley


You've a bit of a way to go before you catch up - but I like the beard ;)

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This is going really well comments-wise. 129 contributions so far, with an overwhelming majority against cameras. As usual, the few pro-camera comments are inanely simplistic ones from people who are incapable of, and indeed despise, independent thought (e.g. "Just do as you're told and slow down"). No pro-camera comments anywhere ever seem to even attempt to explain how cameras are, in actual fact, saving lives.

It's very heartening that the public refuse point blank to fall for the scam. I'd guess that camera support is at its lowest level ever (and that's saying something). No amount of lying (sorry, propaganda) can counterbalance the ever-growing number of people who are alienated by being prosecuted for driving safely. No wonder DfT have given up. If only they had the grace and common decency to admit it (it might actually do them a favour, since so many people see cameras for what they are; who do they think they're fooling?)

It can't be long until the result now. I predict a landslide. :clap:

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Hell of a lot of 'viagra spam' too which stays up for days, sadly.


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Dr L wrote:
anton wrote:
there is so much ammunition in his statements there we should capture it for the future.

I have, as a Word documnet, and will send you a copy.

It would also be of interest to capture the various comments. Some of them are very telling.


I have copied both threads - statement and posts - as .pdf files (350KB for Hughes, 265KB for Paul). Unfortunately I've not (yet) worked out how to edit out the spamming.

Interesting to see that most (if not all) the viagra posts are on Hughes' stream - maybe they recognise that he's got a limp case!

Happy to email them on to anyone asking.


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