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posting on behalf of some colleagues who knew I occasionally come on this forum.

We've been told that the A580 near St. Helens is being monitored by the police today - it looked like some unmarked (white) cars parked a little way back from the side of the road.

What kind of trap would this be - not a mobile speed camera bus as they seem to be marked, not a police car ... what is it? Would they issue tickets within the 3 weeks or so, or would they pull at the road side?

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ANPR

what would they do with ANPR - log the cars going past for what reason?

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Check the legality of the vehicles - tax, insurance etc

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http://www.cambs.police.uk/camops/anpr/what.asp

Sounds like it'll highlight your presence if the police a keen for 'a chat' with you around any kind of naughtiness via your number plate & databases.

ANPR is a pull at the roadside job I think. When I see the local forces doing ANPR checks they usually have 1-2 vans, a couple of cars and a whole bunch of bikerplod. I imagine when they spot someone they want a word with a bike or car follows them and pulls them over at the first convenient spot.

It's also being talked about here http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4009

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Yip, St Helens come under Merseyside which don't have an SCP (AFAIK) so it would more than likely be ANPR - I've seen them over the M62 at Burtonwood and at Prescot also.

sorry for being really thick, but ...

if there isn't a safety camera partnership in merseyside, who operates the speed cameras? There aren't many but I think I recall seeing some on the Dock Road and also in Prenton on the Wirral?

Does this also mean that anyone who is worried that they have been noted down for a later arrival in the post shouldn't worry as they would have been stopped at the time if they had been selected for treatment?

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COAST Not just somewhere to keep a beach.

A young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless, in a world of criminals who operate above the law.

If there's no SCP I imagine the cameras are run just as they were in the pre-pratnership days. Police operate them and fines get paid to the courts.

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I have also seen suspicious looking vans with two cameras on tripods on bridges over the area.

They have been mentioned on here before and the best guess is that they are ANPR. Why they don't have the usual backup to stop people though is a mystery. Possibly they are just logging hits with a view to future operations, maybe they are looking for specific vehicles, maybe it's nothing more than an elaborate traffic survey. Maybe something along the lines of Nadics? which I believe uses ANPR in the same way Trafficmaster does to log journey times.

Whatever, it is it's almost certainly not a speed trap.

Merseyside Police Lost Souls Day suggests that it IS to do with speeding, maybe not a trap per se?

I suppose my colleagues will have to wait for the post for a couple of weeks!

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COAST Not just somewhere to keep a beach.

A young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless, in a world of criminals who operate above the law.

Last week on 5live they were talking about the drugs situation in sheffield and that the dealers were all from manchester. They said how easy it was to travel between the two cities. Unfortunatly the bad guys don't use the M62 (is it?) because they got wise to anpr and now use the back roads. doh.

More than likely to be ANPR.

Jess (another cousin) works in Merseyside. She reckons BiB are straightforward there.

As for the "Lost Soles"... already had a rant about it somewhere - in the Cumbria Refugee forum I think... Given the number of discarded shoes - even on the beach at the NT's Formby Point - poster of a discarded shoe in the middle of the road simply fails to make any point.

However, I will agree that the moving video depicting a lad kicking a can, running into the road and a thud - with the parting shot of the can he was kicking rolling in the road was and remains a much more powerful image.
Followed by a sternish voice over of the need for all road users to be vigilant as I seem to recall from this particular advert of the past.

A still poster of a shoe or a can does not impact in the same way.

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Without having read about it in here first I'd have assumed a poster of a discarded shoe would have been anti littering or something. Lots and lots of discarded shoes? Er... cover art for a Pink Floyd album?

Not the daftest idea the Speed Kills mob have ever come up with, but close.

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Anyone remember the cardboard cut out Police Range Rovers on bridges over Motorways?
It worked until the local kids rumbled they were unattended, and nicked/graffitied them!!

Soon, all they'll need to do is hire a van from Sixt for a day, and park it on a bridge, and the local crims will be taking to the hills so to speak, where they MIGHT fall foul of the odd camera, and get a NIP in the post!!

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Andrew.

350 shoes to resemble those who had died!!!! the obviously obtained that idea from the holocaust exhibition. Quite insulting if you ask me.