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yeah I agree, you never know if one of them's going to bend you over and give you a good buggering.

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"The road to a police state is paved with public safety legislation"

Oh Grow Up!

Thsere is a serious question here that I am trying to work out an awnser too.

The Fact of the matter is that Homosexuals do make me uncomfortable (And many other people too, though most would be reluctant to admitt it publically because of nonsense comments like the above!)

I know it is a cultural rather than instinctive thing. I am not aware of having an overly religious upbringing (But it may have been more relegeous than I remember)

Objectivly I can discuss the fact that many animals exhibit homosexual behaviour in social bonding(In Particular higher primates and especially Bonobos).

I can also consider the historical context of homosexuality Such as ancient greece and other cultures (The Spartens were no Poofs )

However Judeo-christian culture historically has regarded *Any* sort of pleasurable activity as rather Sinfull and sexual activity as particularly so. To that end anything other than strict reproductive activity within the context of mariage has untill *very* recently been regarded as seriously out of order. and Homosexuality as particularly so!

(If you think this is all a bit medevil then I suggest you Google "Magdalane Laundrys" the last of which closed only 10 years ago!!)

Like it or not, I am the product of a Judeo-Christian culture with all that that entails.

As for the "Part 2" Regarding Lesbians. Like most Men I tend to think of Women as a diferent species and as such regard the issue purely as one of academic interest

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"The road to a police state is paved with public safety legislation"

It's down to your upbringing, nothing more, nothing less.


The second sentence is a direct contradiction of the first.
If you were truly a by-product of a Judeo-Christian culture, then you would be equally uncomfortable around lesbians as you are gay men.

I reckon the only reason you are uncomfortable being in the company of gay men in private is because you can't handle what others may think of you.
The second alternative is that you are actually a closet case and can't handle what others may think either

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Going back a page or two...



Just as a point of order, it is actually perfectly legal for an unqualified, uncertified person to plumb in their own gas fire, as long as they don't get paid for doing it. All the CORGI stuff only kicks in when you do it for a living.

This however ISN'T the case any more with electrics. I am a fully time served electrician with an HNC in electrical engineering, yet I'm no longer considered to be a competent person to wire a new socket in my own kitchen, and would be breaking the law if I did so!

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Ticketo ergo sum : I scam therefore I am!

Sorry, JT, that is bollox.

Statutory Instruments 1998 No. 2451. The Gas Safety (Installation and Use) regulations 1998. Part B
3. - (1) No person shall carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or gas storage vessel unless he is competent to do so.

A "competent person" is not clearly defined but, due to CORGI's stranglehold on the industry, it is generally accepted to mean a CORGI registered engineer.

I speak as one who designed and installed his own (oil-fired) central heating system in defiance of the building regs. The council could undoubtedly prosecute me. Like Cooperman, I don't care. I have a degree in physics, I spent a great deal of time researching the subject, and dare say I know rather more about the inner workings of a CH system than your average plumber - although I have the utmost respect for a time-served practitioner when it comes to practical tips.

Come and get me, Arnold.

(Now waiting for some righteous soul to say "Ah, but you'll never be able to sell your house without the correct certification"...)

Are you sure?

Personally I dont give a damn about "Part P" (And neither, obviously, do all the other people coming out of Q&Q at the weekend with trollys full of wire and mains sockets)

Gas regulations (for some reason) have always bothererd me a bit more but if it is really the case that I can replace my own boiler Ill be off to the boiler shop tomorrow! The rotton old thing I have at the moment pisses water out all the time and the only reason I havnt replced it thus far is that I dont want some damned stranger poking arround in my infrastructure

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"The road to a police state is paved with public safety legislation"

I'd say that this defines that no offence is committed unless it can be demonstrated that the fitter is not competent. If no fault can be found with the installation then it must have been done competently.

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[quote="JTI'd say that this defines that no offence is committed unless it can be demonstrated that the fitter is not competent. If no fault can be found with the installation then it must have been done competently.[/quote]

Suspect that to plug any loopholes ,dot the i and cross the t , somewhere deep within the framework will be the little seen clause defining "competant person"

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If you go and read the actual regulation in full (FYI it's here) then you will see that para 3(1) gives a blanket definition about general competency for all gas works, whereas para 3(3) tightens that down to a specific "class" of approved competent people (ie CORGI) where the work is in the course of employment.

It is therefore abundantly clear that the regs were drafted with full awareness of the existence of approved certification schemes such as CORGI, and as such it is equally obvious that if they had intended for ALL work to be carried out only by this class of people then para 1 would have made that stipulation.

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A grey area perhaps. But there's no escaping the building regs. If you are not self-certified (i.e. you don't have a qualification from a recognised trade organisation) you can't do your own work on the "dry" side of the system).

Now off to rewire the garden shed. See you in Parkhurst, JT.

And why should we be reluctant to do so? I quite agree that we should not be gratuitously offensive to homosexuals, nor should we discriminate against them merely on the grounds of their sexuality. That should be a matter of decent good manners, but because the 1960s "anything goes" culture had the unfortunate side effect that people lost all sense of good manners, it is now enshrined in law. Fair enough. Unfortunately, as this left the "Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender (sic) Outreach Co-ordination Officers" (generously employed by your local council at your expense) with much less interfering to do, it is no longer enough merely to be tolerant of such people. We now have positively to approve of them and everything they do, and “celebrate diversity” . This is what I find unacceptable. Cooperman is right - such things, taken too far (as they have been), provoke an adverse reaction which would not otherwise occur - and so the LGBT Outreach Co-ordination Officers have even more to justify their employment.....



Nonsense! Jesus's first miracle was turning water into wine at the wedding feast at Canaa. Did He turn it into non-alcoholic organic fruit smoothies? No – He turned it into wine – and pretty good stuff too, by all accounts!



Again, no – homosexual acts (NB not homosexuals themselves), adultery and promiscuous shagging have always been frowned upon, but sexual activity within marriage has always been OK

Incidentally, aren't we getting into Soapbox territory here?

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Probably, but it's too late now!

I think what puts SOME people off gays is the few who seem to crusade to have THEIR choice foisted on the rest of us.
I'm thinking of Liverpool Council taking away pictures of bride and grooms from the registry office, "..in case it offended same sex couples."

Well that sure offended ME, but dont MY views count? That sort of PC nonsense offends nearly everybody except the perpetrators, and it's the gays that get blamed.
Same goes for the idiots in Leicester who decided to remove all the Gideons bibles from hospital bedside cabinets "because they might harbour MRSA bugs!"
The local Muslim leader objected to that, as he knew that they would get the blame!

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Time to take responsibility for our actions.. and don't be afraid of speaking out!

In principle, something which remains by a hospital from occupant to occupant without being cleaned or sterilised could indeed be a bug hazard. However, in the case on bibles I'd be amazed if more than one occupant in 20 ever looked at them, so perhaps it is daft?

It was a thinly veiled attempt to avoid "upsetting" Muslims - and was immediately recognised as such!
MRSA is MOST prevelant in wards for children and old people - who unfortunately have the poorer record for personal hygeine. Unfortunately, it's not "PC" to make this well known, as it might be construed as "blaming them" for their own misfortune.

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Time to take responsibility for our actions.. and don't be afraid of speaking out!

something which is driving me nuts at the moment is the apparent paranoia displayed by some, driving below the limit by up to 10mph. in a 40 limit this is ridiculous, it infuriates other drivers and is a cause for concern as they take risks overtaking.

There used to be a certain amount of discretion on the part of police. we used to be allowed to overtake slower vehicles as long as it was safe to do so and we slowed back to the speed limit.

The last time I was pulled for speeding it was just yards from a camera I was asked why I was doing 51 in a 40. i replied "because the road is empty, except for me and you officer, the road is dry and there doesn't seem to be any risk in being a little over". he seemed quite impressed with that so then asked me to ID myself and because I couldn't, he wanted to arrest me under the anti terrorism laws. I showed him my credit card and he sent me on my way. Being a sunday night at 11pm he must have ben bored. I think he was just a bit aggrieved because I left him in the dust at the last set of lights. I wasn't accelerating aggressively, just the power to weight ratio of a bike compaired to the the peugeot panda car/van is favourable.

sorry for changing the subject. I read the first page and hit the reply button. I suppose what I should have done was wait til midnight and after having downed half a skinful of my favourite alcoholic tipple, log on and get whatever tripe is getting on my tits aired to anyone that will listen/read/bite/give a toss.

just for the record, I am a gay, black, lesbian, single mother from eastern europe. please point to wherever it is I can get a licence (cheap) and a better car than you lot have worked for. sorry I have to go now, the jehovahs witnesses are at the door. just glad it's not the gay pride lot trying ram their 'beliefs' down my throat

Going back the earlier posts on homosexuality........

Am I in the minority here, thinking that people on here are being a tiny weeny bit bigoted in their views on the subject?

Quite a few forum users are choosing to define a person by thier sexuality alone, ie as 'homosexuals', which in my view says a lot. As wild a concept as it may sound, perhaps 'homosexuals' aren't any different to anyone else, they merely have a differnet sexual preference?

Sexuality is only one part of a persons personality, i personally, chose not to define a person by it. I very much doubt the same 'i don't feel comfortable around gays brigade' would be quite so vocal about their feelings if they we the victims of a similar discriminatory history. There is more than a whiff of double standards here.

That sounds about right - you're a serious criminal because you're speeding, therefore you must be a terrorist

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Thats very noble and progressive of you, Dusty.

Likewise, I'm sure there are many 'homosexuals' that don't hate 'heterosexuals' and would also consider having a brief chat with 'one' in a pub if the social situation demanded it.

I may be able to shed a little light. The problem is that many of us grew up in bigoted times. I remember feeling physically sick at the sight of a couple of guys kissing when I was 17. (1972). This wasn't something I 'believed' in a rational way, and as far as I recall the subject was hardly discussed. It's just that 'men hated queers' and if you were going to be a man you hated them too. That's what it's like being 15/16/17.

I was lucky and came into friendly contact with gay men who happened to work where I did a few years later. With a bit more maturity I asked myself the right questions and sorted out right from wrong. If that hadn't happened, I might still feel sick at the thought of gay men. Who knows?

What I do know is that 30+ (?) years ago the anti-gay thing ran very deep indeed. I'm not surprised to hear that there are 'good men' around who haven't overcome this sort of programming.

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