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PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:54 
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Lives at risk as driving test fraud hits 'terrifying' levels

EXCLUSIVE by DAN NEWLING
Last updated at 10:10am on 30th September 2006

Driving test fraud has surged to 'terrifying' levels, putting millions of innocent lives at risk, a Daily Mail investigation reveals

Fraudsters are 'systematically targeting' test centres in their thousands to obtain the driving licences, which allow them on the country's roads unskilled and highly dangerous.

The highly-prized documents also unlock the door to thousands of pounds of Government benefits, credit cards and bank accounts.

Illegal immigrants and other criminals use easily-forged ID to book a test, then pay a lookalike up to £1,500 to pass for them. Experts say the driving licence they receive allows them to 'wreak havoc'.

Home Office Minister Baroness Scotland said it was clear the public was being put at 'substantial risk'.

The terrifying scam, which puts other motorists at enormous risk of injury or death, had been thought to be limited to a handful of cases.

But the Daily Mail has discovered that the shock case of a Somali bus driver this week convicted of helping 200 of his countryment to illegal driving licences is disturbingly common.

In the last year alone - an astonishing 4,830 practical tests had to be halted over doubts about the driver's identity. A similar number of theory tests are also understood to have been halted - pushing the total towards 10,000.

Experts say even this is just the 'tip of the iceberg', with many more bogus drivers likely to have slipped through the net.

Terrorists may even be using the trick to open bank accounts needed to move money in and out of the UK as they plan atrocities.

Baroness Scotland said: "The system is being systematically targeted by serious organised criminals who obtain driving test pass certificates through candidate-impersonation fraud.

"As a result, people who have not demonstrated the necessary level of competence can obtain those certificates and full driving licences. That clearly places the public at substantial risk."

OK, the Mail does tend to over-dramatise things, especially when immigrants are involved, but this does sound distinctly worrying.

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what documentation is required to book a driving test?
provisional liscence, to get one of them you need:

it seams a bit hard to get a provisional liscence

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It can’t be that difficult if the guy above did it for 200 of his countrymen, and it’s also common. There must be wide spread counterfeiting going on somewhere.

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who signed the photos?

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“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
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What struck me as a bit late was the introduction of proceedures to check on the validity of foreign ladies whose religion prohibits them showing their face .(not sure of the circumstances ) ---in such cases , DVLA will attempt to have a female member of staff check the photo with the candidate, in private.

As a side issue - if one of these ladies is stoped and asked to produce her photo id card - to a male officer, and no female officer can be found, what happens??

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What struck me as a bit late was the introduction of proceedures to check on the validity of foreign ladies whose religion prohibits them showing their face .(not sure of the circumstances ) ---in such cases , DVLA will attempt to have a female member of staff check the photo with the candidate, in private.

If they introduce front-facing cameras for ID purposes we'll all have to start driving in burkas :twisted:

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What struck me as a bit late was the introduction of proceedures to check on the validity of foreign ladies whose religion prohibits them showing their face .(not sure of the circumstances ) ---in such cases , DVLA will attempt to have a female member of staff check the photo with the candidate, in private.

If they introduce front-facing cameras for ID purposes we'll all have to start driving in burkas :twisted:


Where do you think the hoodies got the idea ? :o

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Driving test fraud has surged to 'terrifying' levels, putting millions of innocent lives at risk, a Daily Mail investigation reveals

Fraudsters are 'systematically targeting' test centres in their thousands to obtain the driving licences, which allow them on the country's roads unskilled and highly dangerous.



So if it's such a "terrifying" problem - how come it doesn't stand out in the contributory data.... sensationalist journalism I think

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Graeme wrote:
So if it's such a "terrifying" problem - how come it doesn't stand out in the contributory data.... sensationalist journalism I think

Surely because untrained drivers would commit all kinds of errors that would be spread across all the contributory factors. Also bear in mind that all these people in the eyes of the law have valid driving licences, it's just that someone took the test on their behalf.

And (dare I mention it) we never seen any accident involvement stats categorised by ethnic background...

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Possibly the lack of stats is due to the bad publicity of the stop and search ---when the police were slagged off as racist for stopping the groups experience showed to be most likely to carry a knife/committ such & such - possibly in this PC climate, stoping any percentage( because evidence shows that in a particular group a high percentage might be in possession of a fraudulently obtained licence) might lead to the same sort of claim???

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PeterE wrote:
Also bear in mind that all these people in the eyes of the law have valid driving licences, it's just that someone took the test on their behalf.


:loco: oops of course I missed that!

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And (dare I mention it) we never seen any accident involvement stats categorised by ethnic background...


That's a good point we don't even know the proportion caused by british license holders.

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Was going to suggest that this was an attempt to get panic support for ID cards till i saw the paper.

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Has this been spun?
Could the real issue be the problem of drivers obtaining a second licence in response to facing a potential ban for minor technical infringements?
Are they keeping that aspect quiet because many would see it as such a damned good idea?


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The Mail article seems high on hysteria and low on fact. My feeling is that this is being blown out of all proportion.

I'm also starting to wonder how much the driving test really does for us. It's only brief and is set at a very low level in terms of driver competence. I think I'll spawn a brainstorming topic... See: http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9661 and reply to such issues in the Brainstorming topic.

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