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Just come across this disturbing story

http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/viewarticle.aspx?id=425750

Basically it appears the paramedic was alerted to an accident, put the blues on and passed the CSCP fixed scam at 80mph (40 zone).

How has this prosecution come about - surely the vehicle was being used for ambulance purposes? :roll:

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did you miss this bit:

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gave him an absolute discharge


maybe, just maybe, there was an admin cock up?

But now there is a case law precedent so paramedics will have something to refer to if such a cock up happens again.

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No I didn't - that's still a criminal sanction.

Point is the case should not have been brought, he had a statutory entitlement to exceed the limit on a call. Don't understand why he pleaded guilty and didnt contest it - B&B letters from Stevie and the Boys??

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I thought the quidlines for emergency services are speed limit+50% as a maximum. Or maybe that is just where I live.

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What i'm more worried about is that CSCP appear to be targeting emergency vehicles and consider them 'fair game'.

Tragic.


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:gatso2: Call me a cynic, but isn't that what ambulance drivers are supposed to do in an emergency? I don't know, but the level of stupidity in this country gets worse day by day. Does no one have any common sense anymore?

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T2006 wrote:
What i'm more worried about is that CSCP appear to be targeting emergency vehicles and consider them 'fair game'.

Tragic.


the report states it is a static camera so no human morals there


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toonbarmy wrote:
T2006 wrote:
What i'm more worried about is that CSCP appear to be targeting emergency vehicles and consider them 'fair game'.

Tragic.


the report states it is a static camera so no human morals there


Fixed or mobile isn't important, there should always be some form of human interaction with the captured data before a NIP is generated...

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:gatso2: I'm annoyed that this bloke had to go through a court case, even if he did plead guilty. Could no-one actually work out that the vehicle would've had wording like, PARAMEDIC or AMBULANCE plastered on it? :readit: :banghead:

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Twister wrote:
toonbarmy wrote:
T2006 wrote:
What i'm more worried about is that CSCP appear to be targeting emergency vehicles and consider them 'fair game'.

Tragic.


the report states it is a static camera so no human morals there


Fixed or mobile isn't important, there should always be some form of human interaction with the captured data before a NIP is generated...


as far as i know whatever is on the film then an NIP is sent out otherwise they will be accused of selective NIP's, the driver should have responded saying it was an emergency call and that should have been that,

but why in hell did the CPS continue


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Twister wrote:
toonbarmy wrote:
T2006 wrote:
What i'm more worried about is that CSCP appear to be targeting emergency vehicles and consider them 'fair game'.

Tragic.


the report states it is a static camera so no human morals there


Fixed or mobile isn't important, there should always be some form of human interaction with the captured data before a NIP is generated...


Absolutely.

It would have been clearly evident to the partnership employee checking the photographs that this was an emergency vehicle. So there are definately human morals there, or lack of them!


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handy wrote:
did you miss this bit:

news and star wrote:
gave him an absolute discharge


maybe, just maybe, there was an admin cock up?

But now there is a case law precedent so paramedics will have something to refer to if such a cock up happens again.



Already is one Andy! The ambulance driver with the liver .. abotu three years ago. Leics/Cambs cancelled the NIPs but Lincs refused to - only backing down after media pressure and public outrage :roll:

NHS is strapped for cash and we appear to be wasting both time and money proving all our emergency paramedics out there were doing there jobs efficiently - and SAVING LIVES by driving above 30 mph :wink:

I hear our guys do waste enough time and money - money which could be better spent! :roll:

Our air ambulance is woefully underfunded - and as you know from the press - all NHS Trusts have severe budget deficits through a mix of underfunding and managerial waste on "noo labia pee cee politics" :furious:


I could go on for hours and pages of pure rant over NHS "politics and the government of the day failing to deliver the goods - yet manipulating statistics, duping the public and complacently posturing that "your health is safe in their hands".. but I am off on the much mentioned "epic" tomorrow raising funds for a charity which does help save a few lives ... :wink:

Some of the others within the Swiss gang are taking part in a car rally in France to raise some cash for another good cause too - and life's short - so why not do something you really enjoy to raise some cash for a good cause :wink: Oh .. and we count "safe speed" as a "good cause" too :wink: - and we rotate our pet good causes and split all funds raised evenly if we run a "in-family/pals" chatroom thing with the extremely excessive use of :D :!: :evil: :twisted: :?: :idea: :roll: :wink: :cry: :P :x :shock: :? 8-) :lol: :o :)

The family have devised some rather strict rules though! :roll: - but by and large .. we have raised a fair amount through all that.

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handy wrote:
did you miss this bit:

news and star wrote:
gave him an absolute discharge


maybe, just maybe, there was an admin cock up?

But now there is a case law precedent so paramedics will have something to refer to if such a cock up happens again.


No they won't.

Magistrates' Courts cannot and do not set precedent - only a higher court can do this.

If the driver had been found guilty and appealed, then the higher court could have set precedent


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