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I can't believe that there's anyone stupid enough to think that booby-trap bollards are OK.

I feel a PR coming on...

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I prefer "Death bollards" but maybe I'm a bit extreme.
They'll probably call them "safety bollards" soon.
But yeah, lumps of metal designed to shoot up in the path of traffic in order to cause a crash? They are designed to damage vehicles, and vehicles have people in them. Therefore they are designed to damage people.

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I can't believe that there's anyone stupid enough to think that booby-trap bollards are OK.

I feel a PR coming on...


Don't forget that these(or similar) are appearing in service areas ( Corley for one ) waiting - havent timed one yet but have gone through with no mishaps .

OH- know a friendly rail welder - has some thermite - and the pack contains one of the water sensitive elements - lay a pack, and wait for rain - it's the UK after all :twisted:


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Safe Speed issued the following PR at 1:12am this morning:

PR387: Ban Booby-trap Bollards now says motoring group

news: for immediate release

Manchester Evening news seems to be compiling a 'black museum' of clips where
crashes are being caused - again and again - by rising bollards.

Safe Speed warns that it is only a matter of time before someone is seriously
injured. While they may be intended to enforce legitimate restrictions these
'booby trap bollards' belong only in nightmares and horror films - and most
certainly not on our roads.

Paul Smith, founder of the Safe Speed road safety campaign
(www.safespeed.org.uk) said: "Rising bollards are no more and no less than
booby traps intended to catch the unwary. Do local authorities hate motorists
so much that they simply don't care about the damage and the risk of injury?"

"Has anyone actually carried out a formal risk assessment on these booby-trap
bollards?"

"What has the Health and Safety Executive got to say about the abominable booby
trap bollards? And why haven't they said it already?"

"Ban these booby-trap bollards right now before someone is seriously injured."

"Who thinks that it is sensible to have hydraulic jacks rising out of the
road?"

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Mad Moggie, had some difficulty with reading the scan, so had to enlarge and enhance the text to read it, so transcribed to text to make it easier to read.

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Mum’s car ‘speared’ by bollards in city centre.

Mike Keegan, Manchester Evening News, Wednesday 11 October 2006

“My baby could have been killed, says Natalie”

“Barriers claim four new victims in five days”

The infamous rise-and-fall bollards on St. Mary’s Gate in the heart of Manchester have now claimed four victims in just five days.

The pair of 3ft-high telescopic posts were installed after it emerged that the road was one of the worst accident hotspots in the city.

They use sensors to sink into the street and allow buses through, before rising to bar other traffic.

But this week’s catalogue of mishaps has led to fears that lives may be in danger unless they are removed.

On Monday, a new 4 x 4 vehicle became the week’s first victim of the bollards, which claimed a further two on Thursday. First, they tore through the front of a mother’s car, narrowly missing her nine-month-old daughter, who was strapped into a chair in the front seat.

Then, hours later, a Metro shuttle bus, legally entitled to pass through, was left marooned in the middle of the road after the posts struck again.

And on Friday, the bollards claimed another hit in the shape of Fatima Abrar’s Rover.

Thursday’s victim, Natalie Kelly, 35, who suffers from spina bifida, said she was in the city centre with her disabled mother and daughter Annie on a shopping and was struggling, for somewhere to park. She was outside Marks & Spencer in her Toyota Starlet, when she sae a free spot in the disabled bay on the other side of the bollards.

She then followed a bus through – only for the posts to impale the front of her car. “I’d actually had second thoughts about going in and stopped to use the intercom there to make sure that it was all right” said Natalie, “But then I heard this massive bang and knew right away what had happened.

“If I had gone any further, Annie could have been killed.”

Natalie claims that the warning signs by the side of the road do not spell out the dangers clearly enough – and that she parked in the same spot without any problems a week before.

A council spokesman said they had done “everything we can to make clear that there is a closure in place between 11am and 7pm seven days a week”.

“New high visibility ‘no entry’ signs have been put in place. Unfortunately, some motorists have deliberately ignored the ban, trying to ‘tailgate’ Metro-shuttle vehicles while the bollards are down.” he said.

Their actions are illegal and extremely dangerous and a number of drivers have been, quite rightly, prosecuted by police for driving without due care and attention.”


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On Monday, a new 4 x 4 vehicle became the week’s first victim of the bollards, which claimed a further two on Thursday. First, they tore through the front of a mother’s car, narrowly missing her nine-month-old daughter, who was strapped into a chair in the front seat.


I don't understand why some of these people don't take legal action, I certainly would. This sounds like attempted murder to me.

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If anything like this existed on a works site, a risk assessment would identify them as dangerous. It would be necessary to have a barrier either side (level crossing style) and only when the barriers had been closed for a few seconds would the poles come up.

It's a total and utter nonsense that somethingh this dangerous can make it to the public domain.


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Higher quality vids on the DM site:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... ge_id=1770

The black 4x4 appeared to be very close to the pushchair - if they hit the right hand bollard it would have landed on the child.

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I really cannot understand how they get away with this!

If I had something like this on my private driveway to "Exclude" trespassers and a "Trespassing" vehicle was damaged and/or driver or occupant injured or killed the police and lawyers would be all over me like flys on horseshit!

Can any :bib: or :judge: explain to me just how the LA can escape prosecution in these cases

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Higher quality vids on the DM site:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... ge_id=1770

The black 4x4 appeared to be very close to the pushchair - if they hit the right hand bollard it would have landed on the child.

FWIW, I've just posted a comment to the DM site that these bollards are dangerous, and asking whether potential serious injury or even death was an appropriate penalty (imposed with neither trial nor jury) for going down a no-entry road. I've also asked whether they'd be so supportive of the bollards if the rear of the 4x4 had landed on the pushchair. However, I suspect that the DM have an agenda and won't publish my comment :(

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I was thinking about these things earlier. It seems that they rise up and end up under the car.
Even older cars had bumpers which are there to take an impact, but these things go right past all of the safety systems in place and straight into the vulenerable parts of the car! And then into the people in the car. I wonder if they were actually designed to kill?

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If I had something like this on my private driveway to "Exclude" trespassers and a "Trespassing" vehicle was damaged and/or driver or occupant injured or killed the police and lawyers would be all over me like flys on horseshit!

My thoughts exactly Dusty. It is a criminal offence to have your property rigged with any device that is designed to injure, maim, or kill and these bollards fit that description perfectly.

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Even older cars had bumpers which are there to take an impact, but these things go right past all of the safety systems in place and straight into the vulenerable parts of the car!

It's only a matter of time IMO before one of these things hits the floorpan directly under an occupied seat and crushes the person up against the roof of the car, and you can bet it will be whitewashed over when it does happen.

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It's only a matter of time IMO before one of these things hits the floorpan directly under an occupied seat and crushes the person up against the roof of the car, and you can bet it will be whitewashed over when it does happen.


Or ruptures a petrol tank and causes an explosion :shock: .

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I don't think the actual force of them rising is that high - from looking at the videos they stop when they feel any resistance.

However the forward momentum of the vehicle is high, so if they rose after the engine had passed over the bollard then it could conceivably rise into the area forward of the floor pan and tear the pan/seats open like a sardine can.

The council seem very blase about the whole thing, all I can say is I am waiting for them to next say:

Council: The passenger should be blaming the driver, they shouldn't have driven through there.

Reporter: But the passenger is dead?

Council: Perhaps her executor can write the driver a strongly worded letter?


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Looking at the comments on the DM article, it seems to me like this is the "speed camera hypocrisy" thing all over again. Clearly, to anyone who hasn't actually thought it through, the idea of "instant justice" for inconsiderate drivers is very appealling - they break the rules, smash their car up, serve them right Ha Ha!

I'm sure all the people currently approving of this brutal method of policing would be the first to complain if they fell foul of it, though of course when they transgressed no doubt it would be an "honest mistake" rather than callous disregard for the law, inconsideration for other road users etc etc.

Wonder what they'd think if (as others have suggested) the bollard emerged into a void in the engine bay then ripped the floorpan out of a car, crippling an innocent f.s.p., or ruptured the fuel tank and burned the children in the rear seat to death...

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However, I suspect that the DM have an agenda and won't publish my comment :(

Looks like I was right. They've published another pro-bollard comment but not published my anti-bollard one. Has anyone else posted a comment to the DM site that has not been published?

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I just posted this:

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I fully agree with everyone who says that these motorists get what they deserve - I am all for serious physical injury and potential death as punishments for attempting to avoid a one-way system. In fact, personally, I'd like to extend the scheme so anyone committing any kind of traffic infraction is immediately shot in the face by a sniper, that'll teach those murderous motorists.


I suspect it won't be published.

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Sometimes Pistonheads makes me sad :(

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topi ... 3&t=319430

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willcove wrote:
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However, I suspect that the DM have an agenda and won't publish my comment :(

Looks like I was right. They've published another pro-bollard comment but not published my anti-bollard one. Has anyone else posted a comment to the DM site that has not been published?


They haven't published mine either, but they HAVE published one from "Harv" in Chicago who doesn't understand they are there the block all traffic except buses.

edit: somebody set it to music :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_Cw0QJU8ro

After seeing it a few times I can also appreciate that all the drivers knew the bollards were there - the silver and black cars were waiting to cross them after a bus had passed - the black car knew they were going to rise and hence sped up. Likewise WVM would have know they were there.


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They haven't published mine either, but they HAVE published one from "Harv" in Chicago who doesn't understand they are there the block all traffic except buses.

Which bizarrely they've now removed...

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