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Speed camera fines used to buy plasma TVs and T-shirts
By David Harrison, Sunday Telegraph
Last Updated: 11:30pm BST 28/10/2006


Speed camera operators are spending hundreds of thousands of pounds from fines on refurbishing premises and buying plasma television screens and staff T-shirts, new figures reveal.

The "safety camera partnerships", formed by police and local authorities, now spend £95 million running their nationwide network of 4,650 cameras.

Many of their costs are unrelated to road safety, and critics say they have become "fully fledged quangos", wasting huge sums of money and adding to widespread suspicions that speed cameras are merely "revenue-raisers".

The figures for 2005-6, contained in a written parliamentary answer, show that Avon, Somerset and Gloucestershire safety camera partnership spent £326,400 on publicity, £81,700 on accommodation, and just under £500,000 on administration.

Hampshire & Isle of Wight spent £86,524 on publicity and appointed a public relations officer, while Cheshire spent £50,000 on refurbishment. Warwickshire spent more than £500,000 on processing costs, £105,450 on management and administration, and £116,693 on communications. Essex ran up an £8,855 bill for photocopying, spent £9,052 on smartboards and £7,495 on a plasma screen and miscellaneous software. Derbyshire budgeted £15,000 for "promotional items" and £250 for staff T-shirts.

The figures also show huge differences in average running costs and profits of cameras in each area. In Hertfordshire, a camera costs £73,167 to maintain and makes a profit of £113,334, while in Lancashire the equivalent figures are £8,972 and £12,615.

Last night, Chris Grayling, the shadow transport secretary, who tabled the questions, accused the partnerships of spending vast sums of money on "expanding their own empires while doing nothing about real road safety problems such as uninsured drivers and people driving with no licence".

"Motorists and the general public have a right to ask why do the partnerships need publicity officers, plasma screens and T-shirts?" he said.

The RAC Foundation called on the Government to set up a watchdog body to monitor how the income was being spent.

Sheila Rainger, the foundation's campaigns manager, said the profits could be spent on "genuine road safety projects" such as educating young drivers.

"We are not anti-speed cameras," Miss Rainger said. "They can do a good job in the right place. But they are in danger of becoming the first and last resort when recent surveys have shown that the most important factor in road accidents is not speed but not paying attention."

The partnerships, formed in the early 1990s, initially did not have to plough profits back into road safety, and surpluses could be used for other council or police projects, prompting complaints that cameras were used simply to make money.

Earlier this year, the partnerships were ordered to use profits for safety projects, but they have continued to spend money on the same things, claiming that they constitute "running costs".

The Government has presided over the introduction of about 7,000 cameras which caught nearly two million motorists last year, raising £120 million in fines. Traffic police have been cut by 11 per cent in the same period.

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The RAC Foundation called on the Government to set up a watchdog body to monitor how the income was being spent.

Sheila Rainger, the foundation's campaigns manager, said the profits could be spent on "genuine road safety projects" such as educating young drivers.

"We are not anti-speed cameras," Miss Rainger said. "They can do a good job in the right place. But they are in danger of becoming the first and last resort when recent surveys have shown that the most important factor in road accidents is not speed but not paying attention."



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The RAC Foundation called on the Government to set up a watchdog body to monitor how the income was being spent.

Sheila Rainger, the foundation's campaigns manager, said the profits could be spent on "genuine road safety projects" such as educating young drivers.

"We are not anti-speed cameras," Miss Rainger said. "They can do a good job in the right place. But they are in danger of becoming the first and last resort when recent surveys have shown that the most important factor in road accidents is not speed but not paying attention."


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Yeah. Except I no longer believe that they can 'do a good job in the right place'. I shall have a meeting with RACF this week. I met Sheila Rainger last week (we got on very well indeed!) and now I need to see her 'boss' (who is 'back on Monday').

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While looking for the detail of this (I think it will be published Monday) I found the following interesting written answers:

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 0237000035
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Mr. Paterson: To ask the Secretary of State for Transport whether the fourth year report into speed camera effectiveness took account of reduced traffic volumes at camera sites. [95508]

Dr. Ladyman: Data on traffic volumes are not routinely collected at camera sites. Traffic volumes can increase or reduce on a particular road for many reasons. Any significant changes to the traffic volumes at camera sites are likely to be reflected in the regular vehicle speeds surveys that are undertaken by partnerships.

The independent four year evaluation of the national safety camera programme analyses both 85th percentile and average speeds at over 3,800 camera sites. The report concludes that fixed cameras, which are permanently in place, have been particularly effective at reducing vehicle speeds at camera sites. These sites show a 70 per cent. reduction in the percentage of vehicles exceeding the speed limit, and a 91 per cent. reduction in the percentage of vehicles exceeding the speed limit by more than 15 mph.

Mr. Paterson: To ask the Secretary of State for Transport what assessment he has made to the contribution to road safety made by speed cameras; and whether he has made an estimate of the number of road traffic fatalities avoided by the use of road traffic cameras. [95510]

Dr. Ladyman: The independent four-year evaluation report of the National Safety Camera Programme assessed the effectiveness of cameras and found that after allowing for the long term trend, there was a42 per cent. reduction in death and injury at camera sites, including a reduction of over 100 fatalities per year. The report, published on 15 December 2005, is available in the Library of the House, and on the Department's website.


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£7,495 on a plasma screen


Was the plasma screen encrusted with gold or something? I've never seen one that expensive before.


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Was the plasma screen encrusted with gold or something? I've never seen one that expensive before.


It's a special price for government negotiators :cry:
They do similar deals on other things like roadworks & NHS computer systems

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The independent four-year evaluation report of the National Safety Camera Programme assessed the effectiveness of cameras and found that after allowing for the long term trend, there was a42 per cent. reduction in death and injury at camera sites, including a reduction of over 100 fatalities per year. The report, published on 15 December 2005, is available in the Library of the House, and on the Department's website.


Sorry, bit of a tangent, but should we be expecting the 5-year report to be published soon? It's almost a year since the 4-year one.


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Was the plasma screen encrusted with gold or something? I've never seen one that expensive before.

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£7,495 on a plasma screen


Was the plasma screen encrusted with gold or something? I've never seen one that expensive before.


Methinks you were a touch eager in the snippage department there...

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Dr. Ladyman wrote:
The independent four-year evaluation report of the National Safety Camera Programme assessed the effectiveness of cameras and found that after allowing for the long term trend, there was a42 per cent. reduction in death and injury at camera sites, including a reduction of over 100 fatalities per year.


So that's over 0.02 lives saved per camera per year.

I'm suitably impressed.


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The independent four-year evaluation report of the National Safety Camera Programme assessed the effectiveness of cameras and found that after allowing for the long term trend, there was a42 per cent. reduction in death and injury at camera sites, including a reduction of over 100 fatalities per year.


So that's over 0.02 lives saved per camera per year.

I'm suitably impressed.


Yeah. Of course that 'amazing performance' is BEFORE you allow for:

- RTTM (huge!)
- reductions in traffic volumes at camera sites (~10% of traffic goes elsewhere because of the camera)
- side effects on road safety away from camera sites.
- other engineering works applied at the same time as the camera.

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The partnerships, formed in the early 1990s, initially did not have to plough profits back into road safety, and surpluses could be used for other council or police projects, prompting complaints that cameras were used simply to make money.


Sorry if I'm being daft, but I thought the first partnerships were formed in 2000. Or have I missed something?


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I have trouble believing that such a watchdog would be nice 'n' unbiased.


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The partnerships, formed in the early 1990s, initially did not have to plough profits back into road safety, and surpluses could be used for other council or police projects, prompting complaints that cameras were used simply to make money.


Sorry if I'm being daft, but I thought the first partnerships were formed in 2000. Or have I missed something?


2001. It's the journalist that's missing something.

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IIRC, the first RLC was installed 1990ish. The first speed camera was installed Nov 1992.


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The independent four-year evaluation report of the National Safety Camera Programme assessed the effectiveness of cameras and found that after allowing for the long term trend, there was a 42 per cent reduction in death and injury at camera sites

In context, what does ‘long term trend’ actually mean?


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- reductions in traffic volumes at camera sites (~10% of traffic goes elsewhere because of the camera)

I don't doubt the existence of that effect, but is there a source for the figure?


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- reductions in traffic volumes at camera sites (~10% of traffic goes elsewhere because of the camera)

I don't doubt the existence of that effect, but is there a source for the figure?


Yeah. Linda Mountain's paper before she was hired by DfT, and her presentation at the Royal Statistical Society.

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- reductions in traffic volumes at camera sites (~10% of traffic goes elsewhere because of the camera)

I don't doubt the existence of that effect, but is there a source for the figure?


Yeah. Linda Mountain's paper before she was hired by DfT, and her presentation at the Royal Statistical Society.


I have not avoided a road because it had a speed camera but I have used other routes because the limit has been needlessly lowered on the road with the cameras, making it just as fast to use a single track road in one case!


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Indeed.

I use an alomst entirely different commuting route because of lowered limits on the A road route I ought to use.

I have a network of these to get about Dorset/Hants, leaving the numpties in the 40 limits!


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While looking for the detail of this (I think it will be published Monday)


Hmm hasn't appeared yet. It will be interesting to see the figures in full :)
Looking at the number of PQs that are being raised on the subject of speed cameras, MPs seem to be taking more of an interest at present in this flawed policy. :roll:


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