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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 19:28 
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Graeme wrote:
otherwise we would have them using their "discretion" for all sorts of things (like their mates, the SCP vans etc).

Poole parking vultures seem to ignore anything with the Poole Council logo written on the side (there is often at least one of these parked on double yellows in or around Slone Street) and the coastguard vehicle parked half on the pavement right opposite the "coastguard only" bay.

But the disabled... sorry blue badge holders parked in what they thought was a disabled bay and motorbikes parked next to metal poles for attaching bikes to? PCNs all round.

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Interesting that a warden is defined by the oxford english dictionary as
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warden

• noun 1 a person responsible for the supervision of a particular place or procedure


However, a traffic warden as:
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a uniformed official who locates and reports on infringements of parking regulations.


Why does "traffic warden" have its own definition? It is carefully worded: note the lack of the word "responsible".
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responsible

• adjective 1 having an obligation to do something, or having control over or care for someone. 2 being the cause of something and so able to be blamed or credited for it. 3 morally accountable for one’s behaviour. 4 capable of being trusted. 5 (of a job or position) involving important duties or decisions or control over others. 6 (responsible to) having to report to and be answerable to.



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Stephen wrote:
I suppose his crystal ball wasnt working that morning ,for him to know that the car parked presumably with no note in the window to tell him.


Are you just here to disagree for the hell of it?

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Wardens acted despite doctors displaying a notice in his windscreen explaining the emergency.

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One local businessman said he pleaded with the warden.

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When the wardens came along we told them what had happened.

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But one issued a ticket anyway.


It's not the first time you have ignored the evidence and waded in with your own point of view.


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Alternatively, one could ask whether the ticket would have been cancelled at all if the media had not been involved...?

It certainly would be fishy had the Westminster spokesman council had said
"the ticket would now been cancelled" instead of "the ticket had now been cancelled"


Not really. That's not how it works.

When you try and enquire (as a journalist) you speak to a harrassed press officer who says: "I'll find out and get back to you." There's ample opportunity to 'change the world' a little before the official reply is given.

You might be right, but if I were the journalist I would have made good use of it:

smeggy the would be journalist would have wrote:
Her husband contacted the council giving proof his tragic circumstance yet they wouldn’t budge; they relented when contacted by the press.

If that wasn’t the case then there’s no story!


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…….It doesn't matter that the appeals process exists to quash such tickets, it matters that we have mindless council-bots roaming the streets ready and quite willing to dish out tickets in a purely technical jobsworthy manner, even in situations when the proof they'd need to avoid issuing the ticket is available there and then……..

I agree, that would have been the smart thing to do, but how come that never occurred? Two possibilities:
1) the warden was being an arse
2) the surgery was closed/the doctor was out at the time when the ticket was issued; the warden tried but couldn't get proof of the emergency.


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smeggy the would be journalist would have wrote:
Her husband contacted the council giving proof his tragic circumstance yet they wouldn’t budge; they relented when contacted by the press.


Absolutely - if you get the opportunity. But they are probably trying to hide the fact that they are responding to press pressure. When the press officer comes back and says: "The ticket has been cancelled", how do you know?

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Absolutely - if you get the opportunity. But they are probably trying to hide the fact that they are responding to press pressure. When the press officer comes back and says: "The ticket has been cancelled", how do you know?

Me being me, I would have created the opportunity - a la Watchdog style!

I won't dismiss the possibility that the journalist was daft enough to miss that chance. Either way I think I could write this off as poor journalism.


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Methinks given the evidence of the situation - warden was not applying the one brain cell he was equipped with :roll:

But I read of another in the Bolton paper...6 of one and half dozen of the other as to how this situation arose to be fair
(Jane Lavender reports - story appeared 7 November)

Not uploading as it has photo of the "victim" and whilst she may have photo published in Bolton paper.. I do not really want to place her image on a wider internet.



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A florist has accused a traffic warden of insensitivity - claiming he insisted she moved her car even though she had fallen and broken her foot!


C B had parked on double yellow lines whilst delivering wedding flowers to a Bolton church.

As she came out of the church.. she saw the warden close to her car .. ran to beat him to the ticket issue.. slipped .. fell.. and broke her foot!

Instead of rushing to her aid .. the middle aged florist claimed the warden - who did not issue a ticket and called for an ambulance insisted she moved her car.

She said - "He kept repeating that I had to move my car. He did not show any sympathy"



Hmmm.. he had a car causing a hazard and illegally parked though. He could not move it for her after all.. to be fair.

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She said doctors told her that putting weight on her foot to move the car made it worse.


I think she should have called her husband or arranged the AA/RAC to tow it back home in reality. It was unfortunate she slipped and fell... and can appreciate she needed to unload her floral arrangements carefully .. but surely the church had a car park or some spaces in the vicinity .. where are the guests and wedding cars going to be? :scratchchin:


Tricky as don't know the setting really.. :roll:




The wedding photographer then offered to move the car to a more legal spot but said

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The warden was very insensitive and insisted she moved the car even though she was writhing in tears and in pain on the floor. Her foot was increasing in size by the second.


NCP boss wrote:

The parking attendant demonstrated he went the extra mile by calling an ambulance


What a good caring citizen! All heart!

Actually - if you fail to do so in France, Germany, Switzlerland .. you can be prosecuted for failing to assist a casualty .... :wink:

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At no point was a ticket issued nor any discussion of a ticket being issued


True.. a better warden than the one in the OP story.

She was lucky and she was parked on double yellows after all.. :roll: and fell trying to get the car moved before any ticket could be issued. Think this is where I cannot get my normal sympathetic reaction on this story :wink:

When examined by medics at the Royal Bolton - leg was too swollen initially for a plaster cast. We have to wait for swelling to go down ..

She's now encased in plaster and has been told she may need a pin to help her bones knit together.

Bolton Metro will investigate her "complaint" :roll:

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1) the warden was being an arse
2) the surgery was closed/the doctor was out at the time when the ticket was issued; the warden tried but couldn't get proof of the emergency.


The article doesn't mention at what time the ticket was issued, but the Westminster Council site says the road in question is in CPZ C1, for which the controlled hours are 0830-1830. The article only says the car was parked on a yellow line, without specifically stating single or double - I'm assuming it was just a single given the singular "yellow line" as opposed to "yellow lines". The St Johns Wood Medical Practice site then says opening hours are 0815-1830...

Maybe the actual doctor who wrote the note wasn't available, and maybe no-one else in the practice had the slightest idea of its existence (and no, I honestly don't consider that to be anything more than faintly possible - we're talking about a pretty significant event here, I'd be amazed if the rest of the practice wasn't aware of what had just happened). Or maybe the practice closed its doors a few minutes early, just before the warden arrived for one last prowl around the CPZ before the end of the restricted time period. Or maybe the article wording is slightly poor and the car really was parked on double yellows. Knowing how some wardens in London behave, I'm inclined to believe the warden was simply doing the bare minimum required of them, ticketing an "eligible" vehicle with no regard for the circumstances.

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Hmmm.. he had a car causing a hazard and illegally parked though. He could not move it for her after all.. to be fair.

There's nothing saying the car was causing a hazard, and it wasn't parked illegally - delivering flowers = loading.

I suppose as soon as she had broken her foot she was no longer loading so it was suddenly illegal. :roll:

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