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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 15:01 
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Increase in child road injuries

There has been a dramatic increase in the number of children being killed or injured on Cornwall's roads, new figures show.
In 2005, 180 children were involved in accidents, but the first six months of 2006 has seen 140, according to the Cornwall Road Casualty Reduction Group.

The group said a lack of road sense may be one of the reasons.

It said it was working on schemes to train parents and schools to help increase safety.

Beverly Skilton from the group said issues included children being hurt as car passengers, but the largest issue was child pedestrians being very vulnerable.

'Carried around'

She said: "The 10 to 14-year-olds are the most vulnerable.

"We believe this is because up until their 10th or 11th birthday they are probably transported to school by their parents.

"After that period, they're thought grown up enough to walk to the school or to the bus, but haven't actually developed the skills to do that because most of their life they've been carried around the place."

Ms Skilton said there was a misconception that children just acquired the skills to deal with traffic.

The casualty reduction group said it was encouraging people to address any lack of road skills by trying to get people out of their cars - particularly on short, regular journeys.

It also said it was working with parents and schools to be able to train children, and also distributing information leaflet so parents know what knowledge children need for crossing roads and riding bicycles safely.

Cornwall County Council said teaching children road safety was vital to them staying safe as they became more independent.

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You don't think it's got anything to do with speed kills propagada being shoved down their throats by the 'friendly smiley' cameras who exibit at county shows and involve school children in speed camrea enforcement?


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You don't think it's got anything to do with speed kills propagada being shoved down their throats by the 'friendly smiley' cameras who exibit at county shows and involve school children in speed camrea enforcement?


I think the bigger effect is likely to be in the minds of drivers. But yes, you're right. This is likely to be an absolutely sickening effect of a failed road safety Policy.

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Let me get this straight. Children have less road sense and are being knocked down because of the school run.

So the proposed solution is to get these kids with little road sense out of the cars and into the environment for which they have no aptitude?

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Let me get this straight. Children have less road sense and are being knocked down because of the school run.

So the proposed solution is to get these kids with little road sense out of the cars and into the environment for which they have no aptitude?

Magic!


Only after you have indoctrinated them that car drivers are allways to blame...

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I wonder how much of it also down to the necessity of kids that age showing "attitude"?

Driving past the local comp at chucking-out time is an exercise in collision avoidance. The kids take no notice whatsoever of pelican lights, crossing attendants or whatever and just walk straight into the road, perhaps they'll give you a quick glance but it's of the "f*ck off" variety after which they step right in front of moving vehicles. Anyone signalling their displeasure with such behaviour is subject to considerable abuse. Squeals of tyres are a regular sound, it's a miracle more of them aren't run over.

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We need to be careful and reasonable here.

Society and infrastructure are so big and have so much inertia that road injuries (say) doubling in a year just isn't possible.

In this case, much of the variation is probably random noise. It may be to do with some simple local distortion. If (for example) the Police ran a publicity campaign imploring people to report road crashes you might get a doubling in reporting without any change in road safety at all.

It's my job to try to look 'below' the random variations and spot real trends. The big underlying trends in child road safety seems to be:

- a reduction in pedestrian activity
- an increase in fear of traffic (which also feeds the reduction)

These effects appear to be positive for road safety - fewer are injured - but they are masking damaging trends in worsening risk management.

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pogo wrote:
it's a miracle more of them aren't run over.


It's not though. There are no miracles. Drivers are adapting the the conditions and not running down kids outside schools at chucking out time.


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I'm afraid I'm with the masses here - a lot has been done with children to apply pressure to the motorist to slow down, speed kills etc don't kill a child etc...

In my childhood it was the child who had responsibility for their safety. The reality is everyone needs to be responsible

one example is the replacement of zebra crossing with pelican crossings.

On a zebra the ped is responsible for checking its safe to cross and the driver is responsible for stopping when someone crosses. (no single point of failure)

now we have the green light red light mentality which makes it one person or the others responsibility. (single point of failure).


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We need to educate the parents to educate their children when out either on their own or with there parents.

Take tonight for an example I attended three child injury RTCs one of which was life threatning the other two luckily minor Injury. The ages of these children were 2 X 4yr olds and one 12yr old.

The two four year olds crossing the road along with mother and other child or children stand in middle of road pitch black and poor coloured clothing, then the inevitable both kids step forward only slightly but enough to get struck a glancing blow just at the right height to suffer serious head injuries.

The other was the 12 yr old crossing the road between slow moving cars approximately 50 yards from a working pedestrian crossing, guess what walks into side of car.

All car drivers were not above the speed limit either at the speed limit or well below, so, education has got to play a big part in keeping our children safe as much as educating the motorists to drive slower in areas of increased dangers.

But i suppose educating all involved to have a safer and longer life costs the government and councils money to do this, then that means that if they stopped enforcing then less revenue.

Bring back the three Es with enforcement at the end when all else fails.
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