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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 18:00 
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http://www.extra.rdg.ac.uk/news/details.asp?ID=755

Which antisocial behaviours are the British public most concerned about? University of Reading finds out

Release date: December 11, 2006

Speeding is top of the league when it comes to antisocial behaviour, a University of Reading study has shown.

Thames Valley Police approached psychologists at the University of Reading and asked them to analyse the British Crime Survey - which considers the concerns of more than 17,000 people across the UK.

Speeding traffic was rated as a significantly greater problem than all other antisocial behaviours, with 43% of the population regarded speeding traffic as a 'very' or 'fairly big' problem in their area.

Furthermore, the perception of speeding traffic as the antisocial behaviour of most concern was held by both men and women - young, middle aged, and old.

The study’s authors, Dr Damian Poulter and Professor Frank McKenna from the University of Reading’s Psychology department, replicated the findings in a second survey, which also found that 85% of respondents felt travelling immediately above the speed limit on residential roads was unacceptable behaviour.

Professor McKenna said “It would appear that we have greatly underestimated the degree of public concern over speeding.

“In comparison to concerns such as intimidation, vandalism, harassment, disruptive neighbours, drunkenness and drugs, speeding is the number one concern.”

Malcolm Collis, head of the Specialist Units, Thames Valley Police Roads Policing Department, said: “This justifies our tough stance on enforcing the speed limits on the roads in the Thames Valley. The driving force behind this is our determination to reduce the numbers of people who are killed or seriously injured on our roads. We will continue to carry out speed enforcement and promote our driver improvement diversion scheme, to help people through education stay safe on our roads.”

Respondents also reported strong support for enforcement, with 80% of respondents agreeing that speed enforcement was acceptable practice on 30mph residential roads. This is in line with previous evidence that the public accept the practice of speed enforcement.

The survey examined a wide range of issues (16 in total) including intimidation, damage to property and vehicles, noisy neighbours, drugs, drunkenness, and litter.

Dr Stephen Ladyman MP, Minister for Transport, said: "This research firmly demonstrates the considerable level of concern about speeding traffic in local communities. We remain committed to reducing speeding and the misery it can cause through a variety of means including engineering, education and enforcement."

Chief Constable Meredydd Hughes, Head of the Association of Chief Police Officers Uniformed Operations Business Area welcomed the study, saying, "For too long we have allowed the so called voices of the motorist to dominate the debate.

“This important research clearly shows that the wider public strongly support speed enforcement and are concerned not only about reducing casualties, but clearly see excessive speed as anti social. This information should inform policy at every level, and police and local authority priorities should be re-examined in the light of this information”.

Robert Gifford, executive director for PACTS, the Parliamentary Advisory Council for Transport Safety, said: “I welcome the publication of this research. It strongly supports both police and government action to reduce excess speeding and save lives on our roads. It is good to know that once again public opinion backs tough action.”

Kevin Clinton, RoSPA Head of Road Safety said "The public are right to be concerned about speeding drivers. Even in good conditions the difference in stopping distance between 30 and 35mph is an extra 21ft - more than two car lengths. Small
amounts above the speed limit can turn a near miss into a child being knocked down."

Jools Townsend, head of education at road safety charity Brake, said: “It comes as no surprise that the public are extremely concerned about speeding. Breaking the speed limit or going too fast for conditions is a contributory factor in 26% of fatal crashes, so the public have every reason to be worried about this issue. We urge the Government to listen to the public, and provide police with the resources they need to properly enforce our speed limits. We are also calling for the urban speed limit to be reduced to 20mph, to help prevent the tragic deaths and injuries of countless children and other vulnerable road users on residential roads.”

The paper is published in the journal Accident, Analysis and Prevention.

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What an absolute tragedy (if true). We have distorted public opinion, and by extension life saving resources with speed camera propoganda.

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Most will be perceived speed rather than actual speed.

Rather like the perceived paedophiles around every corner.


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Looks like SafeSpeeds up hill battle just got steeper :( .

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I dashed out a PR. The following went at 17:20:

PR418: Reading research indicates DANGEROUS DISTORTION

news: for immediate release

Research published recently by Reading University reports that: "Speeding is
top of the league when it comes to antisocial behaviour".

Safe Speed says that this is a DANGEROUS DISTORTION of reality perpetrated by
speed camera propaganda.

The government and the camera partnerships spend countless millions on
propaganda in defence of their failed 'speed kills' road safety policies and
speed cameras.

Paul Smith, founder of the Safe Speed road safety campaign
(www.safespeed.org.uk) said: "According to Department for Transport figures
only 5% of crashes involve a speeding vehicle. This survey is evidence of gross
distortions of public opinion caused directly by speed camera and speed kills
propaganda."

"The great tragedy is that this propaganda has distorted the allocation of life
saving resources and has made road safety worse."

"Road safety is really founded in what people believe. To learn that we have
such distorted beliefs about the importance of traffic speed is absolutely
frightening. It is the main explanation of the 'loss of trend' that has left us
as the slowest improving country in Europe and 1,200 road deaths each year
above expectation."

"They have misrepresented road safety to the public. Their message has stuck
and there are more dead people as a consequence."

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So if you get an ASBO for speeding, and you do it again, do you go to jail?

It seems to me that the term "antisocial behaviour" has become a PC word covering just about everything that can possibly annoy someone, whether it is illegal or not.

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Presumably there was an option for dangerous/noisy/antisocial driving which doesn't involve speeding? Otherwise the survey means nothing, as 'speeding' is being forced to cover the role of all bad driving.


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I first thought that this thread was about a reading university to teach school leavers. :)

Do you really think that people think speeding is really more antisocial than breaking windows/mugging etc? It's all tosh.

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Hmmm...

Is there some other report coming out in the next few days which is bad for the SCPs? Is this a pre-emptive strike?

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Anyone know who FUNDED this piece of "research"?


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prof beard wrote:
Anyone know who FUNDED this piece of "research"?


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Thames Valley Police approached psychologists at the University of Reading and asked them to analyse the British Crime Survey

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malcolmw wrote:
Hmmm...

Is there some other report coming out in the next few days which is bad for the SCPs? Is this a pre-emptive strike?


Good question!

Can someone please check the exact AA&P publication date, which might inform our judgement.

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I think they are hoping for a terrorist attack at Christmas to bury that bad news.

BTW I just checked the stats in my "local" police authority.
Average before cameras 64 per year, last year it was 61. currently on 57 with the worst two months yet to come. could be a big increase about to show up.

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second point

speeding is seen as nothing more than antisocial behaviour - so why it it enforced on safety grounds. Can we see the questions?

third point

it justifies the tough stance - (even if the casualty statistics don't)

Fourth point

its a study of studies - the actual research is nearly 3 years old


This study was based on the British Crime Survey 2003-2004. The BCS is a face-to-face survey of householders aged 16 and over, and living in private households in England and Wales, conducted in their own homes by an interviewer, on a variety of topics relating to their experience of, and attitudes towards, crime.


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Anyone read to the bottom of the piece on the link in the original post.

The full title of this paper is: “Is speeding a ‘real’ anti-social behaviour? A comparison with other antisocial behaviours, Accid. Anal. Prev. (2006),” by Dr Damian Poulter and Professor Frank McKenna.


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They are such complete w*nkers! When defending their record on crime they say things like 'muggings are down but it's the fear of crime that we need to tackle'. They then seek to reassure the public that their fears are unfounded.

In this instance they trade on people's fear - if the survey is to be believed and use it to justify their speed detection industry!

I notice that the magic snakeoil camrea has now shifted from accident reduction to become a kind of social safety blanket!

I remember some CC or another stating years ago that he wanted to make speeding as antisocial as drink driving........call me old fashioned but isn't it the job of the police to detect and clear up crime and for society to decide what it deems to be anti social!

These CC's get right up my nose. If they want to be politicians then I suggest they put their money where their mouths are and stand for election every 2 years! Then we'll see if the public care more about 'speeding' or real crime!


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yep here it is

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs04/rdsolr4904.pdf


old news recycled also see page 12 - when does 43% = 19% there at it again


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diy wrote:
yep here it is

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs04/rdsolr4904.pdf


old news recycled also see page 12 - when does 43% = 19% there at it again


Very interesteing and well found. But lot's of information is rehashed and the article cites AA&P. We still need to know about that.

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Frank McKenna is a drivetech person that has designed TV's speed awareness course. Is he just drumming up trade with this piece to some extent? This is a normal academic behaviour - say there is a problem then offer a solution even if the problem is a cultural misinterpretation :)


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Of course it's also highly likely that the original survey is highly prejudicial.

Why is it 'speeding traffic'? Wouldn't most of the same responses have been achieved with just 'traffic'?

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Here it is:

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Accident Analysis & Prevention
Volume 39, Issue 2 , March 2007, Pages 384-389

abstract wrote:
Abstract

The relationship between speed and crashes has been well established in the literature, with the consequence that speed reduction through enforced or other means should lead to a reduction in crashes. The extent to which the public regard speeding as a problem that requires enforcement is less clear. Analysis was conducted on public perceptions of antisocial behaviors including speeding traffic. The data was collected as part of the British Crime Survey, a face-to-face interview with UK residents on issues relating to crime. The antisocial behavior section required participants to state the degree to which they perceived 16 antisocial behaviors to be a problem in their area. Results revealed that speeding traffic was perceived as the greatest problem in local communities, regardless of whether respondents were male or female, young, middle aged, or old. The rating of speeding traffic as the greatest problem in the community was replicated in a second, smaller postal survey, where respondents also provided strong support for enforcement on residential roads, and indicated that traveling immediately above the speed limit on residential roads was unacceptable. Results are discussed in relation to practical implications for speed enforcement, and the prioritization of limited police resources.


So it does look 'new' - 3 months ahead in fact.

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