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what asking residents what concerns them the most, yes you have perceived speeds but then you have the actual data to corroborate that.

us, me you we dont live there, we just pass through the area without a care in the world

they live there, they have to put up with the risks, they look out for the hazards, they look out for the dangers, they have the worrys about family, but this is not important at all because they only live there not us you or me

ps. i hate this time of year already sick of mince pies being fetched to my van with a hot mug of coffee

pps us intended as pass through drivers in general

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now retired

Is this due to the budget cut-backs

And I thought you hated it because it is the worst period for road accidents....silly me.

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Speed camera policy Kills

If you want to know what concerns them, why not give them a free choice, instead of having 15 stock answers to pick from?

I've been surveyed on this type of poll and they get whatever answer they want.

When people were asked what concerns them, if they replied 'people parking outside my house' or 'drunk drivers' they were probably 'told that's an invalid answer, but I can put it down as speeding, that's the closest option'.

dont know hope i still get my pay next week

be rest assured we are on the ball when it comes to observations for the seasonal DD



no doubt the poll can be weighted to suit whatever the originator requires, i have not actualy looked at the link, but the response is what i recieve every day, nice to see you on a tuesday dinnertime , by the way you should be here friday night, go there friday night oh you shpuld be here monday morning etc etc

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Well they seem assured of a straight answer on this one:

I'm shocked - on residential streets around here, getting anywhere NEAR the 30 limit would be dangerous.

Your dodgy survey questions stance is a must.
I was once told that Insurance salesmen start the pitch with "Wouldn't you want to do whats best for your children and family?" and surprising NOBODY ever says "NO!".
ALL camera surveys use similar slanted questions to elicit the required answers - which I believe is why the percentage answers around the country are always the same.

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Time to take responsibility for our actions.. and don't be afraid of speaking out!

I think the main gripe people have with traffic is its presence not its speed. Most motorists DO drive at a safe and sensible speed in residential streets. People just don't like too much traffic coming down their road. When asked, "speeding" is just a proxy for this view and is a socially acceptable answer to the interviewer sitting comfortably in their home.

Anyway, what does "travelling immediately above the speed limit on residential roads" mean? A strange form of words. Do you see many speed cameras on quiet residential backstreets?

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Malcolm W.
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not represent the views of Safespeed.

most of my areas are on main roads through various urban areas, i do work some odd side roads

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Fantastic!

"...which also found that 85% of respondents felt travelling immediately above the speed limit on residential roads was unacceptable behaviour...."

- so they'll be the 85% of motorists that never exceed the speed limit then?



SOMEONE's got to be telling porkies!

not round this way they don't... although most of them are probably legal.

85% of people speed regularly
85% of people don't like people speeding down their road

No surprises there, surely? Just human nature. Except no one ever wants to discuss the two together.

Ian

........or 85% of residents don't want any traffic at all to pass by their house

The abstract

The relationship between speed and crashes has been well established in the literature, with the consequence that speed reduction through enforced or other means should lead to a reduction in crashes. The extent to which the public regard previous termspeedingnext term as a problem that requires enforcement is less clear. Analysis was conducted on public perceptions of antisocial behaviors including previous termspeedingnext term traffic. The data was collected as part of the British Crime Survey, a face-to-face interview with UK residents on issues relating to crime. The antisocial behavior section required participants to state the degree to which they perceived 16 antisocial behaviors to be a problem in their area. Results revealed that previous termspeedingnext term traffic was perceived as the greatest problem in local communities, regardless of whether respondents were male or female, young, middle aged, or old. The rating of previous termspeedingnext term traffic as the greatest problem in the community was replicated in a second, smaller postal survey, where respondents also provided strong support for enforcement on residential roads, and indicated that traveling immediately above the speed limit on residential roads was unacceptable. Results are discussed in relation to practical implications for speed enforcement, and the prioritization of limited police resources.

Some points:

The 'problem' is seen as an issue on residential roads - how much enforcement is focused on residential roads? I know TVP focus effort on rural 40 and 50mph duals ££££.

Most people would agree that exceeding 30mph on residentual roads where people are out and about is extremely unwise. But we know they don't enforce speed limits on residential roads

Any follow up PR.... (pos..)

Paul Smith of Safespeed said "Once again it is dissapointing and frustrating that the speed camera PR machine post snippets of the research before its published in the public domain. From what we've been able to see, this appears to be a re-hash of old information". You don't need to conduct a study at the tax payers expense to know that most people object to people speeding in residential areas. What we can't find out is if this is every day traffic exceeding the limit or boy racers blasting around housing estates late and night!. Current enforcement strategies do nothing to tackle yobs in ilegal cars racing in residentual areas.

There are surveys and surveys. The BBC once commissioned an election poll. They used students to ask the questions. Not surprisingly the prediction was a Labour landslide. In fact the Tories won. It matters more how the questions are framed than what people's real perceptions are.

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Brian

No, ASBOs' are a way of controlling people who have NOT broken any laws.
Breaching laws can be controlled by ordinary enforcement, if your behaviour is not criminal, or it's going to cost too much to use the full force of criminal law, then you need another way of using the legal process. Hence the ASBO. It's worth a comment that the police consider using ASBOs' an acceptable way of controlling other "unsociable" but not, in themselves illegal, acts....such as having sex in cars in daylight. etc.
Face it, the police as a force to prevent or detect crime are a "spent force" now. Their use as a political instrument to enforce government whim and prejudice is the way forward for them. what a waste of council tax.