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This is NOT the first global warming event recorded even in "recent" history - we had one in the middle ages!


Yes, this is a common observation. Fact is, that 'event' was teeny weeny, almost insignificant, compared with what we are currently experiencing.



What was the event that wiped out the dinosaurs then? an effing macaroon?


Good heavens, post a perfectly reasonable comment and get sworn at in return :o

So at the risk of bringing more profanity and abuse down on myself, I'd point out that the middle age in question occured between the 9th and 14th centuries, the dinosaurs having been wiped out several millenia earlier.


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This is NOT the first global warming event recorded even in "recent" history - we had one in the middle ages!


Yes, this is a common observation. Fact is, that 'event' was teeny weeny, almost insignificant, compared with what we are currently experiencing.



What was the event that wiped out the dinosaurs then? an effing macaroon?


Good heavens, post a perfectly reasonable comment and get sworn at in return :o

So at the risk of bringing more profanity and abuse down on myself, I'd point out that the middle age in question occured between the 9th and 14th centuries, the dinosaurs having been wiped out several millenia earlier.


I have my own (tounge in cheek) theory about the early midevil warm period!

Europe was pretty shitty back then but it is forgotten that at about this time *vast* empires were florishing in the far east! Thousands (possibly even millions) of square miles of land was being cleared and turned over to rice production. Paddy fields are particularly effective generators of methane, (a greenhouse gas aledgedly many times more powerful than CO2!)

So maybe it was an early example of AGW! But, the climate adapted and normalised itself again. Perhaps that is what will happen now. Mankind has driven the climate in a new direction and Ghia will do her thing and correct for it after a century or two.

(Oh and BTW, The poor old Dinos were wiped out about 70,000 millenia ago! It is now pretty well taken for granted that this was down to a big metior strike but there were other things going on aswell such as *Gigantic* volcanic eruptions in what is now India which would have also made the world pretty unpleasent to live in at that time!)

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Yes, this is a common observation. Fact is, that 'event' was teeny weeny, almost insignificant, compared with what we are currently experiencing.

perhaps you'd like to post a link to ...... [anything you like, I'll only ignore it]


Actually, I put that last bit in.. :wink:

There are a bazillion links hypothesising the situation one way or the other and I remain open minded as to what is really going on. The only thing we can know for certain is that the argument won't be resolved in two-bit forums like this, no matter how many links each of us posts.


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Hear Hear!

AND (in my view) we need to think very carefully about this sort of discussion on here. I know it's the "general" board but we get plenty of visitors / lurkers / trolls and, whilst the core "Safespeed philosophy" is pretty well documented and is clearly what the site is about, I think this topic is much less cut-and-dried.

I think (and I'm sure plenty of you will feel different - and it's Paul's site anyway!) that we simply run the risk of convincing any moderates out there who are teetering on the point of understanding the anti-scamera arguments on the site that actually, we're just a bunch of pathological anti-authority nutters looking for any shred of evidence to suggest that everything is all a plot by "big brother" to control our every movement.


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:) Mole, people already think that of SS so I wouldn't worry.


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threads like this tend to get me a bit bogged down, it can be a bit much for my feeble brain to cope with.

AGW, probably something I missed, but is it ---- Global Warming? What's the A part?

Anyway, thre trouble with any environmental issue is there never seems to be any consensus on what to do.

CO2 emmisions bad, ok so we will use nuclear to power the lights. Hell no, that's worse. Ok then, wind turbines, naar they're no good, they look ugly, birds crash into them and besides it takes more power to build them than they ever make. hmm, I just want the lights to come on.

Short haul planes are bad, but don't 100 people travelling on a train use less fuel to go from London to Newcastle than if they went by car? So use the train, balls to that, costs a small fortune they don't run on time, you're not guaranteed a seat and I've got a car anyway.

Turn your TV off standby, it's uses less electricty. That's a no brainer. No hang on, the power buzzing through it on stand-by justs gets converted to heat and heats the house. Oh Jesus.

Don't throw stuff away, we're running out of land fill and there is no need to waste stuff and the power needed to produce it. No, no, there's loads of land fill and it uses more energy to recycle you plastic than make new plastic and recycled plastic is no good anyway.

Don't drive a big car use a smaller one. Surely no arguement to that. Nope, I have 3 kids and they can't possible fit in a Golf. Of course they can you prat. Oh but what about the horse and the caravan I must drag everywhere. Well shoot the poxy nag and burn the caravan. Simple.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

I would just like to go through life without leaving too big of a mess behind.


I am quoting this thread in its entirity because I love it!

Thank you adam for not only making me chuckle, but also making a point that noone can rightly refute, I personally think all argument should have stopped after this was first posted!


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:) Mole, people already think that of SS so I wouldn't worry.


...at least you didn't say "most" :lol:


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:) Mole, people already think that of SS so I wouldn't worry.


Wishful thinking again?

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Mole wrote:
Hear Hear!

AND (in my view) we need to think very carefully about this sort of discussion on here. I know it's the "general" board but we get plenty of visitors / lurkers / trolls and, whilst the core "Safespeed philosophy" is pretty well documented and is clearly what the site is about, I think this topic is much less cut-and-dried.

I think (and I'm sure plenty of you will feel different - and it's Paul's site anyway!) that we simply run the risk of convincing any moderates out there who are teetering on the point of understanding the anti-scamera arguments on the site that actually, we're just a bunch of pathological anti-authority nutters looking for any shred of evidence to suggest that everything is all a plot by "big brother" to control our every movement.


It's potentially a problem - but we cannot restrict free speech in the forums.

But do bear in mind that Safe Speed does not primarily exist to do 'public communication'. We don't have the resources to change policy via public pressure. Instead we aim to shift policy with independent analysis.

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Instead we aim to shift policy with independent analysis.


If you believe that you can disconnect your independant analysis and press releases from the uncurrent of views, attitudes and opinions regularly expressed on this forum then you are surely doomed to failure. :(


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Rigpig wrote:
wayneo wrote:
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This is NOT the first global warming event recorded even in "recent" history - we had one in the middle ages!


Yes, this is a common observation. Fact is, that 'event' was teeny weeny, almost insignificant, compared with what we are currently experiencing.



What was the event that wiped out the dinosaurs then? an effing macaroon?


Good heavens, post a perfectly reasonable comment and get sworn at in return :o

So at the risk of bringing more profanity and abuse down on myself, I'd point out that the middle age in question occured between the 9th and 14th centuries, the dinosaurs having been wiped out several millenia earlier.


Sorry Rigpig, it was intended to be somewhat lighthearted, i forgot to add a :) after the macaroon bit, no offence intended.


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wayneo wrote:
Sorry Rigpig, it was intended to be somewhat lighthearted, i forgot to add a :) after the macaroon bit, no offence intended.


Oh, no problemo then.

Actually, the macaroon reference was perversley helpfuly, it was the answer to a clue in my morning crossword :lol:


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Excellant :lol:


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Excellant :lol:

We need a Monty Burns emoticon!! :wink:

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cumbria/6221073.stm
I know this man personally, and his background. He is not an environmentalist as such - it's purely a practical project to him, so I dont doubt HIS claims - and I dont think he claims you could cook the family joint!
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Two Cumbrian friends have come up with an invention they claim could help consumers save thousands of pounds in energy bills.

Ian Gilmartin, 60, and Bob Cattley, 58, both from Kendal, say their mini-waterwheel could supply enough free electricity to power a house.

The device is designed to be used in homes close to small rivers or streams.
They secured a £15,000 grant from the Lake District National Park to build a working prototype near Windermere.

The device is claimed to be the first off-the-shelf waterwheel system which can generate a good supply of electricity from a water fall as little as 8ins (20cm).

Wheelie bins

Mr Gilmartin is an electrician by trade, but does not own a TV and has never lived in a house with electricity.
He first began experimenting three years ago with yoghurt pots and wheelie bins in a stream close to his home, before test-running a prototype.

This now produces almost all the daily electrical needs of an average home.
It is hoped to go on sale by the end of 2007 and is set to cost about £2,000 to fully install.

Mr Gilmartin said: "It is expected to pay for itself within two years and then greatly reduce the owner's electricity bills after then.

"I have been thinking about this for a long time and tried various solutions.
"I have come up with an answer and I don't know why anyone has not thought of it before."

I think without some sort of drastic evidence to show the planet is in peril, most people will only adopt "green" measures if it saves them money.

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Sorry, had to squeeze this in here.

Guardian

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Wind of change - farmers warned

John Vidal, environment editor
Wednesday January 3, 2007
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Farmers will be told today they could be penalised if they do not stop their flatulent animals farting so much methane gas.

The environment secretary, David Miliband, will tell a farming conference in Oxford that agriculture now contributes 7% of all UK greenhouse gas emissions and more than a third of all emissions of methane -one of the most dangerous greenhouse gases.

Without specifying a "fart tax", he will say that the farming industry of 2020 will play a key role in reducing greenhouse gas emissions.

Mr Miliband will say these can be reduced significantly by feeding cattle different food, breeding them to live longer and getting farms to generate "biogas" from animal waste.

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Here's an interesting question.

Leaving aside maunufacturing for the moment which produces most CO2 per day

the average cow....or the average car?

Or the average milliband?


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I know which produces the most crap!

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I know which produces the most crap!


And I know which produces the most hot air.

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Seriously

A Cow or a Car?


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