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I guess I must have strange Taste in music I porbbally have the only CD rack in the country with Humperdick,Julio,CASH, Nine Inch Nails, Black Sabbath in it. I like most music. Rock mostly, but anything.

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I played Rach 3 back in 1992 in a music competition, although I prefer the Rach 2 and Paganini Rhapsody, more interesting pianistically and musically. Rach 3 is just like a set of linked exercises, similar to playing the Etudes-tableaux cycles through, not as hard as "Shine" would have you believe, plus my hands are similarly sized to Rachmaninoff's ;)

I prefer 2 to 3... And always have a smile at the second movement of 4.. :-) For a big-ish bloke (6'2") my hands aren't huge, makes some of Rachmaninoff and most of Liszt a bit of a struggle! Mind you, the amount that I play nowadays, it's like wearing boxing-gloves anyway! :cry:

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I've got a 1990 Steinway B which was rescued from a church and rebuilt, but I'd really like a Fazioli or a Bechstein - depending on the finances, we'll see!

Beautiful instrument.! Mine's a 1905 Model "O" in Mahogany rather than black, which I had completely rebuilt about 20 years ago. Probably not quite the clarity of tone as yours, and it's an "automatic" rather than a "manual" (obligatory mtoring reference!). If you're looking for something different, ever considered a Bosendorfer? Hell of a price though, if memory serves...

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Music - where to start!

I like classical music, especially, Bach, Arvo Part, Messian, Stravinsky

Core love is Delta and Chicago Blues though

I'm also a (Grateful) Dead - head

Also like:

Captain Beefheart, Frank Zappa, Gram Parsons, Velvet Underground, John Cale etc

New stuff - like System of a Down and Queens of the Stone Age

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I tend to listen to Classical mainly, as I am a pianist, trained classically at the RCM, also with the RNCM - I do still find time a few times a year to play in concerts, usually for Gents clubs and private functions. I'm also a season ticket holder at the Bridgewater Hall in Manchester.

I think most modern stuff is claptrap, but then one does get spoiled by the depth within Chopin, Mozart, Beethoven et al! :)

With you all the way!! :-)

When I was a kid I was going to be a soloist. Auditioned at the Royal School etc., but basically wasn't good enough. Major blow at the age of 16! I haven't played seriously in public for years but occasionally play for the rugby club and/or the odd pub.. :-) Nowadays I'm still good enough to know how bad I am!! :-)

Personal favourite composers the "mega three" as above, plus most of the other classical / romantic composers and a few of the more "modern" ones - Rachmaninov, Gershwin, Malcolm Arnold (I have a real softspot for his "Concerto for Phylis and Cyril" - it always brings a smile to my face, and I was at the premier when it was recorded) and others - but emphatically not Birtwhistle, can't stand his stuff! I enjoy playing Joplin rags for personal entertainment on the, increasingly infrequent, times I assault the piano.

Oh... Almost forgot Hummel... :-)

To sum up... Basically, "Pogo" is "dead square, man". :-)


Most excellent.

I played Rach 3 back in 1992 in a music competition, although I prefer the Rach 2 and Paganini Rhapsody, more interesting pianistically and musically. Rach 3 is just like a set of linked exercises, similar to playing the Etudes-tableaux cycles through, not as hard as "Shine" would have you believe, plus my hands are similarly sized to Rachmaninoff's ;)

I've got a 1990 Steinway B which was rescued from a church and rebuilt, but I'd really like a Fazioli or a Bechstein - depending on the finances, we'll see!


You lucky dude to have that Steinway. I do have a Steinway Grand in our conservatory doo-dah at the back of my own house.

As you are aware Martin.. I sing in an acclaimed choir - we do have a couple of CDs out .. (hint :wink: )

We do any number of choral pieces .. and did a medley of Beatle medleys as part of our programme last year. This year was more traditional Christmas Carols .

Why a choir? Oh.. I think there is nothing more uplifting and enthusing than the human voice as a medium of music. No one is tone deaf and all of us can use our voice to express human emotion and feeling

There's also the cameraderie.

I was a choirboy.. boy soprano. I was accepted at Chetham's in Manchester for my voice, piano and flute as a boy.. but I also have an aptitude for Maths and Science. These pay more money than being a part of an orchestra .. and I decided .. with my parents' approval to stick with the Grammar School place. :wink:

I still sang with the local Church, local Cathedral and School Choirs. As you can accept .. these were formal and Church based .. but Church Traditional still requires great pitch and interpretation of the music.

On my adolescence.. I let my "voice" rest and then found I could still sing to standard as an adult. I joined the UMIST/Owens Choral Society when an undergraduate at UMIST.


Oh what music do I like.... Like you, Martin and jec, I think I am spoiled for choice :lol:


There is so much to really lose oneself into. All wonderful.. and I have always been gobsmacked by the range and depth of human TALENT down the centuries.

I have many similar to Mad Doc , Swiss main family, and Ernest, pogo and yourself no doubt in my collection.

I do enjoy modern stuff. Naturally I have the POLICE in my collection and Sting has composed some worthy modern classics. I think "Fields of Gold" is probably his finest as this can be interpreted in many a musical directiion.

A recent poll on R2 voted "Queen" as top group of all time. Hmmm!" Am torn as I appreciate the music value and classical influences im Mercury/May compositions.. but I still lean to the Beatles. Their songs can be interpreted in many variations .. as displayed by the 5th "Beatle" and his son over the "Love" album. :wink:

It's when you isolate the recordings from the collecitve engineering and dubs.. that you get to the nitty gritty and this is where you start to appreciate jthe artistic value of our modern classics. :wink:

I think in musical tastes .. I have much in common with you and jec and pogo. I think driving wise.. I have much in common with pogo and safety wise ,.. many things in common with you Martin. :wink: Tis a blend :wink:

I do hope Jub Jub will look at this thread. These are the threads where we shed other conflicts and get to know the person behidn the posts FOR REAL.


It means that even if we disagree with a point of view.. we know the reality of the person stating his case and whilst we may disagree on these political and emotional issues ... we still have in back of our minds the real personality which we like, respect and on some issues will agree to disagree and still remain "virtual pals on speaking terms!"

That's waht the internet should be about! I do hope those zealots take some note here and I do hope Jub Jub will chat to me on cycling, rides, thrill of the exercise and achievement and will tell us what musci he loves and why. It helps mate! No one here is hostile and sometimes .. just removing from argument as Martin does .. lets us get a glimpse of the real person behind the posts

Jub and pals .. I do hope you will visit and join in our lighter topics here. :) C'mon .. give us some of your humanity and more normal emotion! :wink: 8-) :D :)

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I prefer 2 to 3... And always have a smile at the second movement of 4.. :-) For a big-ish bloke (6'2") my hands aren't huge, makes some of Rachmaninoff and most of Liszt a bit of a struggle! Mind you, the amount that I play nowadays, it's like wearing boxing-gloves anyway! :cry:


I'm listening to the Ashkenazy/Kondrashin/MSO version as I type ;) It's definitely the most accessible piano concerto by Rachmaninoff as well technically, if you've got a good left hand. Never really been a fan 4 as a rule - I think (as you inferred) Three Blind Mice has something to do with it ;)

I've never been a fan of Liszt really, I've played a few of the Transcendental Etudes, and the typical repertoire (Un Sospiro, Hungarian Rhapsody #2, etc) but it doesn't really do anything for me.

These days I tend to listen to quite a lot of crossover music, Nikolai Kapustin, Villa-Lobos, Astor Piazolla, Ligeti, etc. I'd recommend trying Villa-Lobos "Rudepoema" - it's a homage to Artur Rubenstein's temper. :D

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Beautiful instrument.! Mine's a 1905 Model "O" in Mahogany rather than black, which I had completely rebuilt about 20 years ago. Probably not quite the clarity of tone as yours, and it's an "automatic" rather than a "manual" (obligatory mtoring reference!). If you're looking for something different, ever considered a Bosendorfer? Hell of a price though, if memory serves...


I love old Steinways, yours sounds wonderful. They're definitely better than the new ones, in my opinion, in terms of build quality and sound. I'd take a Yamaha S6 nowadays over a new B if I was offered. I think they do tend to sell on the name, nowadays rather than genuine quality.

Regarding Bosey, I don't like them - too percussive and blatantly designed for Baroque and Classical playing. For the same money, you can get a Fazioli, probably the Ferrari of pianos.

They make a 10' grand, which costs about £130k - yes please! You can get a nice "B" sized one for about £60k, which seriously tempts me, but I've so many things that need doing I can't really justify it! (Brain over heart, what a dilemma!)

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Never really been a fan 4 as a rule - I think (as you inferred) Three Blind Mice has something to do with it ;)

Nail, right on the head, you have hit! The rest of it is a tad "flat" if you know what I mean...

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...I'd recommend trying Villa-Lobos "Rudepoema" - it's a homage to Artur Rubenstein's temper. :D

I'll have to track that one down... :-)

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...For the same money, you can get a Fazioli, probably the Ferrari of pianos.

They make a 10' grand, which costs about £130k - yes please!

Sh*t..! I'd have to sell my boat if I wanted one of them!! :-)

I've just had a look at the website... Their "Duplex Scale" looks rather like it aims to achieve the same effect as the "aliquot stringing" that Bluthner used for a while.

As for it being the "Ferrari of pianos" - the really big job (with 4 pedals!!) even has the right sort of name, the F308. :-)

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I admit o mal=king a choice between my Grand piano, car and house refurbish. Piano won! :wink:


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...I'd recommend trying Villa-Lobos "Rudepoema" - it's a homage to Artur Rubenstein's temper.
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I would endorse.


Music.. it's uplifiting and the sublime epitome of human achievement in whatever form.

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Nail, right on the head, you have hit!


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I'd go futher and call opera a gross distortion of human expression according to an arbitrary and wholly unjustified set of rules.

But that could be said to be true of music generally?

A note only sounds true, flat or sharp because we have a completely arbitrary standard for deciding what consitutes a true note. The reason Asian music sounds flat to western ears is that they use a different system.

That said, I can't get my head around Opera either. As regards my own musical tastes, if I had to sum them up in one word it would have to be "eclectic"! :hehe:

Big, big fan of Genesis, particularly their earlier stuff. Following from this source I've also got loads of Steve Hackett's solo stuff, and of Peter Gabriels. Dire Straits (again esp. the early stuff), Squeeze, Marillion, REM, Roxy Music, and yeah, I like Belinda Carlisle too, but not as much as Suzannah Hoffs...

I don't hold with the notion that there's no good music any more - every generation said this as they approached middle age, even (especially?) when the Beatles were in the charts. I've got both of Keane's albums which show talent by the bucketload, Kaiser Chiefs, Coldplay, there's just as much talent and creativity around as there always was, in fact these days it is far more accessible. Mercury Rev, Maximo Park, British Sea Power....

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I'd go futher and call opera a gross distortion of human expression according to an arbitrary and wholly unjustified set of rules.

But that could be said to be true of music generally?

A note only sounds true, flat or sharp because we have a completely arbitrary standard for deciding what consitutes a true note. The reason Asian music sounds flat to western ears is that they use a different system.


I wouldn't call 'equal temprament' (sp?) 'wholly unjustified' - more a 'best compromise'.

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Nail, right on the head, you have hit!


Yoda in disguise are you? :lol:

Much taller than him I am. And in me, the force, not so strong is. :lol:

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Nail, right on the head, you have hit!


Yoda in disguise are you? :lol:

Much taller than him I am. And in me, the force, not so strong is. :lol:

Have you tried passing a speed camera and intoning "These are not the droids you are looking for"? :lol:

Are you fans of John Williams then?
I bought the first Star Wars album on vinyl before I went to college, and still have it. Some impressive stuff - and a film score to boot!

The Cantina track is a good example of J W 's versatility. :)

I usually disliked having to buy film track albums, as usually there is often only a couple of tracks which are worth keeping - but classically based film scores are generally more worthwhile IMHO. Downloading has increased the amount and variety of the tracks I listen to.

I AM a fan of clever lyrics - so Gilbert and Sullivan is a must for me! 8-)

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Can't stand opera singers for a start. About as nice as listening to finger nails scratching down a blackboard to me. :D A lot of them can't enunicate properly either which also bugs me.


Hurrah! I don't often hear folk saying that, but I feel EXACTLY the same way. :thumbsup:


Couldn't disagree more - but chacun a son gout as they say in France.

Wagner and Verdi for me!

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Yoda in disguise are you? :lol:

Much taller than him I am. And in me, the force, not so strong is. :lol:

Have you tried passing a speed camera and intoning "These are not the droids you are looking for"? :lol:

Can't say that I have... But I reckon that a light-sabre would be a better solution! :-)

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Are you fans of John Williams then?
I bought the first Star Wars album on vinyl before I went to college, and still have it. Some impressive stuff - and a film score to boot!

The Cantina track is a good example of J W 's versatility. :)

Actually, I quite like his film music, it's a good job - one of my friends has an 11-year-old son who's a "Star Wars" fanatic and officianado, it's impossible to avoid at least one of the episodes whenever you visit! ;-)

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Mussgorsky - the Alice Cooper of his day I suspect! I think ELP had that sussed! :wink:


More 'Lemmy', I suspect! Damned right, though - I saw ELP perform it live in the 'Welcome Back My Friends' Tour. Mussorgsky would have loved electronic music and may even have stood his vodka bottle down to applaud ELP's arrangement of his inspiration!

As for me, I play drums and used to build analogue synthesisers as a hobby, so my musical tastes evolve quite rapidly. I have some old favourites that I keep, but music has to put fire in my guts or make me cry, laugh or, in some way, change my temperament.

Two teenage kids help; some current favourites are Coheed and Cambria - 'Welcome Home', Rammstein - 'Rosenrot', My Chemical Romance - 'The Black Parade', Lacuna Coil - 'Heaven Is A Lie', Yngwie Malmsteen - 'Veangence' and Avenged Sevenfold - 'The Beast And The Harlot'.

And just to illustrate a secondary interest in modern 'popular combos', I give you Christina Scabbia - lead singer of Lacuna Coil...

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I was brought up on Queen, but I like almost anything.....not really into bands as such more of a tunes man!! Although I cannot listen to REM or Savage Garden, don't ask why but they make me ill.

I'll range from Metalica through to Scissor Sisters via Elton john and Billy Joel........anything with a good beat!! :bounce1:


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