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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 14:59 
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One of the more ineffective means by which those in power rule Britain is to punish undesirable behaviour without bothering to reward admirable behaviour.
An absence of positive reinforcement or incentives does not work in nature. There is no reason why it should work in social or civil affairs and, indeed, it does not.

Just as drivers get penalty points for driving badly, why should they not receive plus points for driving particularly well?
One could receive “plus points” to reduce his/her current penalty points total, or could even have plus points added to a clean licence to have something “in the bank”.
(As a minor version of this, some SCPs now offer “Speed Awareness” courses in lieu of penalty points, but they are limited in number, limited in application, and only come into play after the fact.)

Someone at this point will probably chime in that if you’re a good driver, you won’t need protection against penalty points. That might sound glibly correct, but we all know how easy it is to get points for yielding to an emergency vehicle at a red light, getting caught at a box junction when another car usurps your intended safe harbour, or harmlessly doing 65 in a 60 and being nailed by the camera van purposefully hidden behind the bushes.
Apart from the practical potential benefit of having plus points on one’s licence, having them would be a goal in itself, just as having a clean licence is now. The difference is that, today, to have a clean licence one does not need to do anything well, one only needs to stay under the speed limit.
Another benefit would be that, just as underwriters reward a history of no claims, one could expect them to reward drivers who evidence above-average care and skill.

How might this work? There are a number of things that could justify plus points, such as:

- extended history of driving with no offences,
- extended history of driving with no insurance claims,
- successful completion of advanced driving course or refresher course, and
- observations by marked or unmarked Trafpol of good lane discipline, spatial awareness, overtaking technique. Why couldn’t someone be pulled and rewarded for driving well?

This last element might be especially effective if vonhosen is correct that if drivers are conscious that an unmarked police car might be travelling near them (such as on M23), that will affect their driving.

Let’s give drivers something to aspire to, not just something to be afraid of. Surely there should be more to good driving than staying under the speed limit. The present system does nothing to recognise that.
Most people seem to lack both an awareness that driving can be better or worse, and an incentive to improve their own. A system that actually, in the real world, rewards good driving would help to achieve those things.



This proposal has probably been made many times before. I’m suggesting it here just because I cannot recall having read it previously.

It's a nice idea, but I don't think it has been thought through:

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I'm not keen on this idea per-se given than I do not think we should reward people for doing what any law abiding citizen should be doing as a matter of course.

Does anyone have anything they could add, or is this idea doomed to die?


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Was it JT who suggested something like this waaay back? IIRC, the idea was to have a licence with say 20 points and you add or subtract points based on accidents, penalty points, training courses, etc

I'll have a search...

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http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewt ... =3025#3025

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Thanks for digging up that thread Mrs M.

The responses in that thread seem well considered, I'll post that link on PH to see what they think.


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A bank for offences? Hmmm...

Can I volunteer to go to prison now so I can build up enough credits to murder someone later? :D

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While I think it's a nice idea....................

malcolmw wrote:
A bank for offences? Hmmm...

Can I volunteer to go to prison now so I can build up enough credits to murder someone later? :D


But that's exactly the conclusion I came to.

Besides, we're already rewarded in some way shape or form from our insurance company's for being a low risk.

I think it would be difficult to quantify it. Also alot of time would be wasted pulling people to pat them on their back!! So you could just send the registered keeper an award in the post for 'their' good driving. How many people would try to contest they were the driver then?

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A+++++++++ Great driver, would let them overtake again.

Seriously though, I don't think it will work, pulling someone to give them plus points could get annoying and mean that people deliberately drive in a mediocre manner if they are in a hurry to get somewhere, and doing it in the post SCP style could result in the car owner harvesting the points of their drivers, especially in the case of company vehicles. (The thought of a certain company director at my place actually knowing he has a few points in the bank really gives me the shudders. His driving is terrible)

The only way you could really make it work is by making the drivers carry RFID tags and we really don't want to be going down that road.


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