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Am i going to lose my license? Sent off my license a few days ago for my second speeding offence (mobile cumbrian speedcamera van) i had no idea that was a speedcamera van they look different with no police etc, i overtook at 91 and remember doing so didnt think anything of it.

I need a car from the area i live in there is only a very poor bus route and no way of me getting to work, i only just found out about the 6 point rule ill be screwed considering driving without a license or insurance it was enough work and money getting one in the first place and im sure insurance will be too exspensive with 6 points

Goverments plan to road congestion BAN EVERYONE

Yep..you are screwed...

you will probably have to re-take your test again too.

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Speed camera policy Kills

what's the 6 point rule? I thought you had to collect 12 points before you got banned. 91 is hardly the crime of the century

If you get six points in the first two years after passing your test, your licence is revoked and you have to reapply for a provisional licence and then pass the theory and practical L-tests again

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Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

ahhhh, it comes back to me now. Does that apply if you add a new test to your licence? I've been driving 14 years (ouch) and am supposed to be doing a lgv after xmas or is that just new licence holders?

BTW I've not got or ever had points. wheres the halo emoticon?

AFAICT, the probationary period is for two years after passing your first driving test. I couldn't find an easy reference at DVLA, but http://www.2pass.co.uk/retest.htm gives some information.

HTH,

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Will

There's something wrong with this picture.

They can't ban you by post, so if a ban is possible you should get a summons to court. But you've sent off your licence and I presume they requested it. Did you get a FPN? They are supposed to check your licence status before they issue a FPN.

Perhaps get yourself over to Pepipoo and ask there?

http://www.pepipoo.com

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Paul Smith
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The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

It's not a ban, the licence is revoked. As soon as you pass the tests you can drive again. The only delays are getting a provisional licence from the DVLA (so you can book the tests) and the delays in getting a test slot. I think the DVLA are quite quick at getting provisional licences and it is usually possible to get cancelled test slots so it might not take *too* long to get it back.

Gareth

As has been said, you would not be banned from driving, your license would simply be revoke under s2 Road Traffic (New Drivers) Act 1995. This means that you could still quite legally drive around, however you would revert to learner driver status until such time as you pass your driving test.

A 2 strikes and your out rule in the first two years seems a little extreme. We have a similar system here where it's 6 points in the first 3 years but small oversights up to 10kph (about 6mph) over the limit only incur a 1 point penalty so you could be booked twice a year for minor infringements and almost make it though. It still sucks big time though.

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Ross

Yes I'm a hoon, but only on the track!!!!

Welcome to 21st century Britain...

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Speed camera policy Kills

If we didn't have the present style of camera and talivan enforcement it wouldn't be unreasonable, remembering that it is "back to school" rather than a ban.

Maybe it would be preferable to require those accumulating 6 points to undertake a specialised one-day driver improvement course at their own expense rather than retaking the L-test.

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

How about improving the driver training in the first place and beefing up the testing proceedure?

This rule has been put in place to try to make newer drivers stick to the law - it doesn't just apply to speeding, anything that can give you points on your licence applies.

And - it depends where it was done. Someone could have been killed as a result of this overtake if the place was inappropriate.

Learn from mistakes and be careful

Rich

IIRC, Cumbria use civilians to man their vans and there is some considerable doubt as to whether or not this satisfies the law. The scenario is this:

Van man sees car, thinks "ooh, that one's speeding", aims camera and takes picture which records the speed. (let's ignore for the moment that they probably target anything that moves)

The civilian operator's opinion that the vehicle is speeding is the primary evidence; the photo/video is the corroboration. The law says that only a cop is allowed to provide the primary opinion evidence, so the evidence is fatally flawed and a prosecution should not follow.

That's the theory and it has not been fully tested in court yet AFAIK.

If you want to know more see

http://www.cumbriasafetycameras.org/for ... st&p=13425

and

http://pepipoo.com/NewForums2/viewtopic ... 3931#13931

IANAL!

Edited to add that I should learn to read - I would have seen that you have already sent your licence away. Don't know if it's not too late to run the argument above - probably best to seek legal advice.

Please do not plan to drive unlicenced and uninsured. The repercussions for you and anyone you may be involved in an accident with are potentially horrendous.

And if my uncle was born a woman he could have been my aunt!

Since jedimafia is here to tell the tale it appears that the place was appropriate and no damage was done, except to his(?) licence.

If everyone has that attitude then the road casualty rate is going to sky rocket . Every time we go out in our cars there are many What If situations some that could lead to road deaths.

The person who started this post didn't see the camera van - a big thing normally a transit with chevrons and writing all over it so would they have seen a pedestrian stepping out or a car coming in the opposite direction? Begs the question doesn't it

Rich

Steady on Rich! We need to deal with real risks and potential risks. If we deal with wholly imaginary risks we have less capacity remaining for real risks and things become more dangerous.

I agree that sometimes it is difficult to distinguish between a potential risk and an imaginary risk, but clearly we have to try our best.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

A very slight aside here... I wish that the H&S@W act was slightly more tolerant in this distinction too. The culture has got to the point now where people almost invent risks to deal with. This not only makes businesses less efficient, but similarly engenders complacency where risks are real.

Back on topic......

There's an excellent reason why this won't work. It's this:



The wide ranging process of learning safe driving take place through experience and after the test. The test should equip us for relatively safe learning, but it can't do much more than that. The great teacher is experience.

Or to put it another way - we can't teach advanced driving to learners...

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

Paul,

Check out my post here regarding this - http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1218.



Paul,

This falls into the Anticipation section of Roadcraft.....lol (that book is getting a hammering this week I bet). If you don't think of what could happen you are not going to recognise a threat. It must always be in the mind that there could be a pedestrian or an approaching car when overtaking etc. The What If's I'm referring to are the near misses and the What If I'd gone for the overtake with that on coming truck.... . On today's roads What If's are real risks.

OK, back on topic again.....

Rich