Safe Speed Forums

I've just read the Speeding page on this site - http://www.safespeed.org.uk/speeding.html

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In fact, there are only one or two things there I really have any issue with and I might just be reading the thing incorrectly - . I feel that limits need to be set to allow for those that don't have the experience and not for those that do. As already mentioned in this post (see my first post in this topic) it is just not feasable to set limits which equate to your level of driving experience. They must be set to the lowest tolerance, that is, so that young Joe Bloggs can drive his Corsa after just passing his test in safety if abiding by the maximum limit.

The other item I don't 100% agree with is where speed limits have been dropped. Some areas had speed limits that were too high for the road and therefore the limit was dropped.

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The point I'm making here is that some of the new lower speed restrictions are in appropriate areas and just because the old limit was 60 doesn't mean that limit was safe.

But our national speed limit set up does not allow us to distinguish between the 80mph sections and the 60mph section...

But our national speed limit set up does not allow us to distinguish between the 80mph sections and the 60mph section...

It's very difficult to legislate isn't it..... . I'm not sure there even is an answer to areas like that short of keep changing the limit signs but that can get very confusing.

I think I'd like us to distinguish between NSL and 60mph limit (on single carriageway roads).

If we had graduated driving licences, different limits might apply to suitably qualified drivers in NSL sections. That could possibly be a good move in the right direction.

Very rarely do things happen without advanced warning.

They think things DO happen suddenly and legislate accordingly

The only thing is that things DO happen suddenly and you need to be very aware of the fact - you most certainly need to keep your observation to a maximum and the faster you drive the further out you need to be looking.

It's a question of the norm.

I bet less than 5% of real world crashes involve something that really did happen "suddenly", excluding those driver induced causes like sudden swerving or skidding.

You're right that experts have to allow the sudden unexpected events. Most drivers just need to pay attention to reduce their crash risk by 95% (OK OK, it's a wild guess )

I know we've had this kind of discussion on other forums, but I don't agree that there is a satisfactory concentration dividend from applying extra speed on the motorway. I believe it's entirely down to the driver.

If an 85 mph driver chooses to concentrate he will not cause an accident. If he chooses to answer his mobile, he then starts to become a risk. If he then picks up his map while on the phone to discuss his route in to his next appointment he becomes a danger. If while doing this he maintains 85mph, he is IMO a significantly higher fatality risk than if he had brought his speed down to 65mph. Even if he had slowed to 65mph to compensate for his shortfall in concentration, he will still be a significantly higher risk than he was when concentrating at 85mph.

Speed Kills?




As also alot of drivers are trained, i personally have undertaken a number of race courses.

No matter what the training we undertake, it will not make us the best driver. It all depends how we adapt to that training. Some will use it as a base and further their driving beyond the training learned. Some people should never be behind the wheel in the 1st place.



The only real killer is an ACCIDENT, nothing else.



Inexperiance not speed



Does not mean you are capable of adapting your mind to it.



I take it you accept our speed limits are too low, as you travel above our limits.



That excuse never works, i know i have tried it at 6 am on a summers morning, with no other traffic on the m/way.



Why was you speeding to a traffic accident , the only vehicle that needs to get there fast is the ambulance, not the police.




One of my local roads, which is perfectley safe has always had a 60 mph limit, never see any accidents. It now has a 30 mph limit & a speed camera. The speed limit has nothing to do with safety it is all to do with revenue



Contradiction

You just stated you do speed, how does a Blue light job make any differance, i deaf person you are approaching cannot hear your sirens, and would not see your lights, you are therefore NOT taking into consideration the lowest denomenator of driving standards.



We are fed up, with fines for traveling just above the speed limit, which is gauged by our Inaccurate speedometers and the Governments inaccurate cameras.




Approx 2 million drivers fined by cameras last year



Because it is safer to watch the road for hazards, than to watch the speedo and look out for cameras.



Source of that statement please

How many drivers fined in the last 6 months have been involved in accidents

I have plenty of past tickets, not a single accident, which proves you are talking complete tosh, with this regard.



Lets do that in my routine transport, an LGV, which has an enforced speed limiter of 56 mph, 4 mph below its legal speed limit.

However, i am 10 times more prone to have an accident than any other form of Transport.

Therefore the only vehicle that is limited, has the most accidents, care to review your statement



Your speedo may decide you are doing 70 mph, it does not mean the vehicles behind is doing 70 mph, it may be reading within 10 %. Our speedo's are not calibrated very well, as you well know.






Why are you traveling in an overtaking lane, you are supposed to be an advanced driver , get back to your instructor and learn the proper use of M/way lanes




But you are not their are you

You are being replaced by the speed camera



That would be about the time the police stopped taking accident reports



But, you still drive above the limit

Why as a Bus or train passenger, am i expected to stand, whilst in motion, no seat or seatbelt, and it is deemed safe to do so. Yet in a car which travels at a similar speed to a bus and a damned sight slower than a train, a am legally required to be in a proper seat and have my seat belt on. Why the double standards with public transport




Speed cameras are very fragile items




Having trouble understanding that as a person that travels at 34 mph, my crime is equal to that of drugs or violent, yet it is only me the driver that will be fined without a judicial hearing, as i am guilty, yet the drug or violent criminal is innocent until proven guilt




Most revenue gaining equipment



If your revenue machine gets broken, do not moan

If the police lose respect, don't moan

Whoops, too late, the Force have lost all respect of us motorist.

If you want to use a mobile phone AND a map, for God's sake pull over and STOP.

There is no place for using a hand held mobile ANYWHERE while driving. I have seen so many people weaving around, sometimes well outside of their lane, while trying to hold the phone, concentrate on the conversation and drive with one hand.

If you want to refer to a map STOP the damn car because trying to read a map AND drive is a crash waiting to happen!

Stopped a lad not so long back at 104.5 average over 3.4 miles in crap weather. Aggressive tailgating kept the average down a bit . When I stopped him I asked him (after caution) if he knew why I had stopped him. He replied "Was it because I was on my mobile?" I put him on for dangerous driving, but the CPS accepted a plea of careless!

...........and we can't uninvent the mobile phone.

Those headset things aren't legal right?

I wonder how long it'll be before some cretin wipes himself out while trying to film another cretin's bad driving on his in phone camera.
Rant over.

What's the difference between that, a headset and a genuine fully hands free kit?