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Not the Lib "Dims" they are too up their own eco-ass

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Speed camera policy Kills

Did anyone hear Five Live earlier? I heard Paul on it.

I think the pro-charge guy missed the point about privacy concerns. He said that mobile phone companies can track us but nobody minds that. True, but that's because mobile phone companies don't care what we do. The government and its local equivalents do care, and have the power to use the information, for good or evil. They have shown time and time again how obsessed they are with petty rules and regulations.

I think there's a kind of Parkinson's Law of New Labour: Regulations and their enforcement expand to fill the capacity for detection, even if it serves no useful purpose.

1) you can be anonymous with a mobile phone on pre-pay also it is not a law that only the registered user can carry it.

2) If there are any concerns with tracking you can switch it off.

For third parties to access your tracking information they have to get your permission.

Neither are options with the Toll Tax.

If your were to make a comparison with mobile phones you would have to say it was law that you had to carry a mobile around with you, registered to you and switched on all the time. Let’s see how acceptable that would be.

In any case it is a stupid comparison....just shows how desperate they are with transparent arguments like that. This has caught them on the back foot.

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Speed camera policy Kills

For many years, probably more than 50, the probability of road traffic growing to the point of the levels of congestion currently seen have been apparent to anyone with a brain. This likelihood was increased when the railways were ripped up from 1964 onwards.
What have our politicians done about it? They've talked about an 'integrated transport system', and talked, and talked.
Now one of the prats has said "It's not acceptable to do nothing", which is what they've been doing for years and, in reality, are still doing.
We now have a situation where, in the absence of a structured and effective public transport system, most of us who work have no alternative but to drive there. We don't want to sit in traffic jams, but there is no alternative. The gov't's preferred solution is now to punish US for THEIR on-going incompetence. Not just punish us, but to make it non-viable to get to work each day (if the suggested levels of 'travel tax' are applied').
Other European countries have proper public transport which is reliable, efficient, cost viable, prompt, clean, not overcrowded and safe. We don't and we are to be punished for this failure of all levels of gov't.
What will be caused by this is large unemployment due to employers not being able to re-imburse workers for their travel costs. If faced with a charge of £1-50 per mile for travel on the M1 or A1 at peak times; i.e. when going to and from work as required by the employers; someone going 25 miles each way will face a monthly charge of £1082 out of taxed income or a gross of c.£1800 per month which equartes to around £22,000 per annum. How many employers can afford that as a salary increase and how many employees can afford that out of their income. They will simply have to hand in their notice and quit, since social security would see them better off.
If B'liars lot think the average public will accept this then they are just so out-of-touch. This has the potential for making the Poll Tax Riots like a teddy bears' picnic by comparison.
Bloody lunatics.
Perhaps it might be better introduced if first we were all told how the public transport infra-structure is to be re-designed, orders placed for it all and real progress made to show it's for real.
Otherwise, they can shove it all where the 'sun don't shine' and I'll get a French registered car to drive here.

With a bit of tidying, that's an EXCELLENT letter to The Times, Coops.

Sendit! Send it!

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

Petition update 1,218,908 names.

Of course it's now been dismissed as one big lie...or has it?

http://www.dcthomson.co.uk/MAGS/POST/news1.htm

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Anyone who tells you that nothing is impossible has never bathed in a saucer of water.

Here's a poll from AOL today:

Do you back road charging?
Results: Votes Per cent
Yes 1,973 5%
No 41,309 95%

Will the Government really back down?
Results: Votes Per cent
Yes 19,460 45%
No 23,822 55%

Total votes: 86,564


Interesting that a majority think the gov will not back down.

So, to precis:

A multi-billion euro sat system is being built, the object of which is, at least partly, to enable reliable road pricing.
The structure has been designed and is being tested already.
The scheme is backed by all the major political parties, and many of the smaller ones, and also in the EU as well.
No promise has been made to drop, or lower, road tax and/or fuel tax.
Given the above, is it likely in this increasingly undemocratic society that road pricing will be dropped ?

And you can also have a read through THIS and the various links inside.....to get the picture.

I haven't voted........and do you know why? .. Because......I'm Chicken!


They are asking for my address, and I'm paranoid!......How many more are being put off by this?


So! Those MP's who want our vote to remain in that "privilaged job" that you have which allows you to vote for your own "wages" and "pensions" when others are loosing theirs.. had better get real quick!....You're going to loose it!.........totally, if you carry on with this!

1 1/4 million....
1255145

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

Front page in the Independant and Mail today.

(or for the more discerning readers seeking intelligent topical debate, the Sun has Anna Nicole Smiths Boob jobs and the Star has Big Brother)

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Wake me up when the revolution starts
STOP the Toll Tax http://www.traveltax.org.uk

So that's big brother on three out of four, and big buggers on the other.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

and a bunch of big tits on all 4

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Wake me up when the revolution starts
STOP the Toll Tax http://www.traveltax.org.uk

Quite a few I would think!

(Just because you are paranoid doesen't mean they aren't out to get you!)

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"The road to a police state is paved with public safety legislation"

Just heard it being discussed on Radio 4.

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Andrew.

Apparently the website hosting the petition has collapsed under the weight of protest.

Now up to 1,388,000

Probably gonna bust the 1.5 million mark soon. It's funny looking back through this thread and us willing it on to 0.5 mil, when its gonna be at least 3 times that now!

I wonder if it hasn't reached saturation point - it appears to have stopped at 1,388,000 which seems a rather round number...

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Science won over religion when they started installing lightning rods on churches.

Now up to 1,391,921. I read somewhere that the response is so overwhelming that they've had to move from immediate update to caching the information and updating the cache every so often. Thus, it would appear to have stuck in the four minutes between Robin's and Sixy's posts.

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Will

Ahhh


Its now passed 1.4m (1,405,729). That's close to 6% of the licenced drivers in the UK...

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Science won over religion when they started installing lightning rods on churches.

I seem to recall that one reason for the success of the UK employment figures was the fact that we have a flexible workforce willing to move jobs and travel as necessary.
With the increase of house prices in the larger towns/centres of employment, employees have thought nothing about a 30+ mile drive each way to work on a daily basis. The majority of this mileage is on main roads which would be subject to the highest charges, thus, 'at a stroke' destroying this flexibility.
One has to ask whether any estimate of the number of jobs that will be driven-off abroad should this nonsense come to pass, not to mention the destruction of UK touring for Brits (foreigners won't be affected as their vehicles won't be trackable).
B'liar and his lickspittles have already presided over the destruction of a lot of our heritage, a reduction in our traditional values, all the well-publicised other failures and 'soft on crime, soft on the causes of crime'. This road pricing, however, will be the last straw for many of us.
I've been around long enough to have seen a lot of government stupidity and errors (like cancellation of the TSR2, failure to curb union powers in the 60's/70's, failure to support our industries, reliance on foreign coal and gas, the 'Nimrod 2000 project', etc, etc, the list is long and sad), but this has the makings of a huge and un-recoverable disaster for our nation.
It has the potential to cause massive civil insurrection the like of which has not been seen since the General Strike of 1926. It's a fight the gov't will inevitably lose as it will unite many different factions within our society.