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And the opposite is...? When young kids are smoking around adults? Don't forget, it's not illegal for someone under 16 yrs to smoke - only to purchase.

So, your argument is that the ban is nothing to do with safety and is, in actual fact, law making for it's own sake based on flawed statistics and misguided good intentions? As such, right-minded people like you feel that it's not a law that needs to be obeyed?

Where have I heard something like that before?

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EHO's and HSE Inspectors have Warrant Cards and have clearly defined powers unders HSWA, for the purposes of inspection and enforcement they are deemed to be officers of the court.

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Humm?

If people want to smoke it is their issue. Fair enough stop it in public places. But training people to spy on US to catch one or two smokers in a public place takes the piss. It is not just the smokers who are effected we (the none smokers ) are. What we have is people spying on our activities in a public place. I imagine you think the other on the spot fines are okay. This does include speeding fines. Or is it that you think smoking is wrong, and you don’t do it. so it is okay fine to spy on and persecute them as it does not effect you?! It amazes me that some of you are against speed cameras because it is a law you do not agree with, but when they do something similar to smokers, it’s fine because you agree with it.

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I can't wait for these so called inspectors to turn up at somewhere like the Kent Custom Bike Show or the Bulldog Bash and start trying to hand out fines for smoking in the beer tent

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Imagine the scene...

Small, skinny, middle-aged bespecticled man walks over to a group of back-patch, coughs and asks politely if they would mind awfully putting out their cigarettes....

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The 'passive smoking' science is about as weak as anything I've ever seen. Weaker, if anything, than the 'speed kills' science - unless anyone knows different?

I think the final best estimate was that being a non-smoker, living with a family of smokers, was equivalent to smoking 6 cigarettes per year.

It's just another bandwagon for the 'ban it' crowd.

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Bit on the radio today -

Scotland - 4 cases of smoking in public places - no official policing.---SITUATION SELF PLOICING.
England - massive £m spent on training council officials


WHY???

And I just read that the EU has had to repeal it's no-smoking ban in the head offices 47 days after it was implemented because it is being routinely flouted.

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There was a load of talk before the ban came in here in Scotland along the lines of "I'll smoke wherever I want" "who's going to stop me" etc

Turned out to be a load of hot air. In the end everyone has just accepted it and moved on. Not a big deal at all. Even smokers agree that it's a lot more pleasant being in a pub that doesn't stink of smoke. As mentioned earlier in this thread, many pubs have adapted outdoor spaces to cater for those who still want to have a fag.

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I'm not big on kids, don't want any myself. I don't think kids should be wrapped in cotton wool, they should be allowed to fall of bikes, fall out of trees, fall of the Heelys (arn't they the best shoes ever?), they should be allowed to scrape their knees and do all the things that teaches you/us about life. But for Christ sake, let them breath clean air. I see kids in push chair being pushed around buy a parent smoking and I just think that poor child hasn't got a chance. He or she hasn't got a say in his lfe when they are that small and their parents are prediposing them to breathing problems.

So it'll be illegal to smoke in public places? They're now going to gather photographic evidence of offenders. What happens if the offenders are sent to prison? You'll be delighted to know it's not illegal to smoke in a prison cell.

Oh dear. back to the drawing board!

If you've ever read George Orwell's 1984, you'll know that smoking and drinking were NOT banned by Big Brother.

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Put Paul, I don't smoke and don't want to smoke any cigarettes a year. I public spaces it should be assumed that the air is clean. If we have to work in an area where the air has any other contaminant in it the contaminant is either removed or we are given breathing apparatus.

If I am following a car were an occupant is smoking I can smell it. Even if the dangers of passive smoking is over stated, it still makes my clothes stink.

As said .. am non-smoker and advise all patients who smoke to quit... and provide the help for them to do so.

But by and large.. object to spies and yet more cameras to spy on us on a night out. For all I know there is a camera hidden in the gents.. filming folk having a pee and taking a dump in there. Ye gods.. if you light up near these lentil munchers ... one would need more than a and a for cover ..

I think most are now used to not smoking in the work place and will generally respect and not smoke in public. But the solution in this country seems to be film and fine.. without using common sense judgements and human inter-action.

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I don't understand why anyone wants to impose their ideals on others - surely we can live together and make room for the habits and desires of others?

I also believe that 'the market' is a good way to get these things sorted out. If people want non-smoking pubs, then the demand will make them. Why do we need anything other than that?

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Could it be!.......Nah surely not, but hey, maybe!......

Could it be that the "expense" of these "invisible" inspectors is a cover for "Expenditure" elsewhere?........like the USA $3000 toilet seat?....



Creative accounting at it's best... hey?

Depends on what you mean by clean really? Or do you mean just free of smoke from cigarettes?



You must be driving close or in a traffic jam. I would be more worried about the fumes coming out the exhaust? CyHz NOx CO and CO2 and all the other particulates. Unburnt hydrocarbons are linked to cancer. Exhaust fumes also are linked to lung/breathing problems. I would consider it dangers for you to fill your car up. Petrol contains Benzene which is a suspected cancer causing chemicals.

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Now I would pay good money to watch that

Of course we know that will never happen though, because they won't have the nads for it. In fact, the tossers are probably sitting there right now watching re-runs of "Britains Hardest Pubs" and compiling a list of pubs not to visit come the 1st July.

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