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Just like the rest of us road users, the bus has no right just to signal and pull out. They should wait for a safe gap in the traffic. The mindset of "let the bus go first" is a self serving dogma dreamt up by TFL (or their predecessors) and means you have to sit behind it breathing diesel fumes from the poorly maintained engine.

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Malcolm W.
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Indeed, it should wait for a response for the signal.



Perhaps it's "dreamt" up by people into road safety who realise that if the vast majority of smaller vehicles help the smaller number larger vehicles then everyone is happier.

Besides, if busses have to wait longer at stops there'll begin to be pile ups of busses which would lead to more traffic problems.

I'd let buses out a lot more if I thought they'd have a layby to stop in at the next bus stop.

As it is, because of this idiotic policy of not providing a layby at bus stops, the person who lets a bus out is likely to be stuck behind them for quite some time.

Thats quite the point isn't it Johnny!

Misguided transport policy has already turned public opinon against the police and enforcement agencies, and now they are seemingly trying to turn us against bus operators as well, by forcing them to become an obstruction on the highways!

The places I have experienced must be better planned and engineered then (although still pretty badly) so I guess you have a fair point.

But I drive according to law ..well most of time

I wait behind .. increase the gap.. look beyond that traffic island

because 95% of time .. I can overtake cyclist safely without compromising legality und other road user

I drive without nonsense.. maximising speed, space und safety margins all the time.

For the development of these skills within me.. I thank my Papa, In Gear, my cousin Axel (Swiss ) und everyone who taught me to drive und ride

But . .. I will have to admit that the UK road design, bus stop/lane policy are very silly und amateurishly unprofessional when compared objectively with facilities on the main European continent as whole


It sound prejudiced, biased und a bit OTT patriotic . but I have to concede und admsit that UK has much to learn from the country of my birth, education .. und .. despite the rather prissy flaws.. I do my Heimat

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Well I learned something this week. That going on the wrong side of them are illegal.

But Im perplexed.

It seems, if a vehicle has broken down, if there's some other obstruction, perhaps the bus drivers got out for a urinatory exercise, or maybe too many people have climbed on board leading to him switching off the bus for ten minutes, right down to some idiot loading to and from a van when he could have parked five metres ahead or behind... You're still not allowed to pass! There appears to be no provision for overtaking unless you are either instructed by a policeman, or you are a policeman.

Apparently you have to either sit and wait, or turn around.

Although this reminds me of the bus driver I was following once. A car had broken down ahead, and although conveniently there was enough room to squeeze a car through, the bus didn't have enough movement. So he went to the right of the bollard.

This is to me is an "exceptional" circumstance and surely allowed under such circumstances? But I can't find any evidence to suggest this is allowed, and everybody says it isn't?

Thoughts?

Simon

The law is an ass, but Police discretion used wisely protects us from it.

See: http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewt ... 032#131032

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I don't like the idea of police discretion. It's too imprecise.

But I have heard this used.

Might have been the original posting... It seems bizarre how a roundabout with no "traffic island" and keep left bollard could be legal to overtake an abandoned car, but as soon as they put up a keep left sign, the public go crazy saying its illegal and reckless behaviour and dangerous and impatient...

I reckon it's fundamentally impossible to come up with a system of law that will apply with even approximate fairness to all of the people all of the time.

So we have to have 'something' to bridge the gap.

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Haven't looked at all posts - so apps if it's been mentioned that bus drivers (certainly round here ) are adopting the , signal . forget miror, pull out approach -so that as you pass a buss with the left indicator on, this changes halfway down the bus to either a slam on the brakes or slam on throttle to get you out of way of bus. First time it happened -i thought i'd missed the change in signal - so next time -i noted the indicator. Thinking that now the discretionary use of horn might be of benefit.

Oh yeah, Im a fan of using a horn. But does anyone know where I can get a decent one from? Some kind of truck horn? I got a Nissan Primera and it's a bit weak and feeble.

Would have come in handy a few weeks back, when I pull onto a mini island - sorry, roundabout, and some twonk in a BMW decides to pull out in front of me from the side road. I blast my horn and he gives me a good old fingering and red faced mouthing.

I've noticed the same situation with buses myself.

Mind you it's just exactly the same as that chap on the motorway who changes lanes then indicates as he's almost finished his move.

I prefer not indicating. That way people have to work out what you're doing

(joking about the last bit).

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Simon

But then - sjdean - you seem to come from the CV10 /11 AREA - where BMW drivers are not known for their use of brain cells, bus drivers are a bit short on leting people know of their intentions, and we put up with lower standards of traffic policing than elsewhere.
That's where the advanced info on here MIGHT keep ypu safe and alive, and accident free - read - digest and put into practice .
Welcome to Warks , mate.

http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/tpm/tal/trafficmanagement/trafficislandsforspeedcontrol?page=1#1000

http://www.thebikezone.org.uk/thebikezone/campaigning/pinchpoints.html

sorry to hear about the nissan

not sure a stronger horn would have helped, now good observation would have identified it was a BMW and then the following behaviour could have been anticipated