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I have seen something on another board about this. I had a look at the highway code and it does not mention cyclists.

Now there is an increase in 20mph speed limits (which any good cyclist can do easily) I would have thought any road user, motorised or not, would have to obey.

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Speed camera policy Kills

No, they definitely don't have to obey speed limits. The speed limit section of the HC only refers to cars, motorcycles and other powered vehicles.

If they were required to obey speed limits, then pedal cycles would need to have speedometers.

There is, however, an offence of "cycling furiously".

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

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No, cyclists do not have to obey speed limits. RTRA 1984 sets the speed limit regulations and clearly states "motor vehicles". Since cycles are not motor vehicles no speed limits apply.

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Paul Smith
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You are kidding.......

Whats the penalty..

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Speed camera policy Kills

.. They get a fine of ca £30 upwards .. dependent on mag....

Dangerous cycling is covered by s28 /s29 of the RTA 1988 If they harm anyone .. "Offences Against the Persons Act 1961 s 35 - can carry a term in prison of 6 months upwards.

You've been at "cycling plus" She's clocked up a "century" now .... and looks like she's winning..... judging from responses she is now getting over there now!

Have to hand it to her ... never thought she'd do it .. thought she'd get banned before now....

Someone asked the moderators to ban her on the grounds that they'd had quite enough of her

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

Yes I have been over there. Didn't want to spend too long just in case I got the urge to buy lycra...

Just out of interest anybody know how many cycling offences went before the Mags recently...

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Speed camera policy Kills

I thought the Highway Code implied that cycles must obey the limit. The general rules bit says that it's for cyclists too, and rule 88 starts:
Now if that rule is supposed to apply to cyclists and round signs with numbers are giving an order... you can see where I'm going. So does that mean that the HC is saying "cyclists must obey limits", but the law isn't there to back it up?

BTW what the hell is "cycling furiously"? Is this one of those laws that's been kicking around since the mid 19th century? The way it's put sounds a bit Victorian.

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Absolutely correct.

The Offences Against the Person Act is 1861, not 1961 as InGear mistyped.

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Paul Smith
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In other words, they are losing and cannot handle it, so they want her banned, pathetic creatures.

What probably makes it worse, is that she's a "mere female"

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Rare that we use the 1861 Act ... occurs if the cyclist or skateboarder injures (causes bodily harm to) someone and we can prove dangerous/careless behaviur on their part It is not restricted to roads either ... can prosecute under this if they do this in the park....

Furious pedalling .... But ... normally under s35 of aforementioned Act and someone usually has to be bleeding or worse.


However, do have a neat little ace up the sleeve (for those lurkers from cycling plus )

S 59 of the Police Reform Act 2002 states if a policeman in uniform has any reason to suspect that a vehicle is being used for harrassment ... is causing alarm, distress or annoyance .. then he has powers set out in subsection 3 of this act .... which give power to seize and remove said vehicle. It is open to interpretation and we do interpret this to include bicycles, tricycles and skateboards and roller blades and can apply for an ASBO against you

And we also can fine for racing under s31 (1) and 31 (6) of the RTA 1988 - no specific powers of arrest - but can refer to magistrates for a fine.


Similarly cycling whilst unfit or drunk (s30) applies. Interestingly under s12 of the Licencing Act (1872) we can do you for wheeling said cycling contraption as this Act creates the offence of being in charge of a horse, carriage, cattle whislt drunk This Act which can fine and imprison for one whole month has been applied to cyclists ... precedent was set in 1951 (Corkery v Carpenter. It is acknowledged in s5 of the Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988 which provides an exemption for popele charged with other drink/drug related driving offences.


See .. we have powers which we use properly .... Not everything in the Nanny State is that bad

The last time I lurked to see what she was up to ... they had decided she was a bloke pretending to be a woman ...

It gets better! Krissi called me to report that she had received e-mail from admin at "cycling plus". Apparently admin had received numerous complaints about this very nice tame cat who was hounding pedalling dogs off the forum. But .. she's still hanging on to her saddle in there ... and there are some highly pleasant and welcome signs that they are "warming to her" a bit. She managed to stop the silly chanting anyway ... but they substituted the work "rock" with "speed camera"

Still ... they seem a little less hostile overall from what I have skimmed through.

Have to admit .. not a bad result on Krissi's part here.

Disarming is the word. Remarkably disarming.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

Hello everyone. Just thought I'd pop over here and see what all the fuss was about.

Sorry, forgot to introduce myself. I'm from Cycling+, one of those pathetic creatures, with mysoginistic tendencies, who can't handle losing!

Haven't really got anything else to add, but you've got an interesting site here so I'll probably end up being a regular viewer if not a poster (if that's acceptable, I'm afraid I don't own a car, just two push bikes. I'll understand if that makes me unwelcome ).

Anyway, that's about it. Hope you all have a great Christmas!

Welcome Peyote, the more the merrier. I'm sure you have plenty to contribute over here and you should do so - you are just as entitled to use the roads as the rest of us.

Merry Christmas to you too!

Is that legal...

Anyhow the more the merrier, welcome aboard..

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Speed camera policy Kills

Welcome. There are no "pre-qualifications" for posting here. Any perspective from anyone usng the roads is very welcome.

The web site proper (i.e. not the forums) is now 350,000 words and it can be hard to find particular information. Feel free to ask questions. The central argument, and the reason that I do this, is that present national road safety policy is a dismal failure, criminalising millions AND costing lives.

This document provides a brief overview of the main arguments:
http://www.safespeed.org.uk/againstcameras.html

Let me know anytime I might be able to help, and have a great Christmas!

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

Hi there Peyote!

Think you will find we are a nice bunch - and all genuinely interested in improving road safety without over-reliance on speed cams.

I am Plod - Durham based and post just tohere and Plod site. Mad Doc posts here mainly, but does post occasionally on PH when his wife gets into bother over there.

The rest of the family? Some on other sites - and you have met Krissi But they campaign off -line in shape of letters to CCs and Pratnerships - for better training and more trafpols.

Your input from a cyclist's point of view will be valuable - so welcome!

Cheers for the warm welcome People!

There's a fair few points of view expressed in this forum that I would disagree with (but then there are at cycling+!), but more I would support and I can tell that the majority of contributors all have the fundamental premise of "safer roads, and how to get them" at heart. Which is all very encouraging!

PS - Gizmo, I think it is illegal, not up to date on sexist legislation though so can't be certain!