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I would agree America or Canada although Americas' just too commercial for me. I don't know 'bout anybody else but every time I've been to America, it just seems, well, false!. Canada's beautiful, the only thing that puts me off is the seal hunt and the French, but then most countries have negativities about them.

Whatever you decide, good luck to you, it's a great shame that people have to resort to such methods because their own country has been turned to ratsh!te.

I'm affraid I'm on my soapbox again and this is a subject very close to my heart...

Did my father fight for our Country's freedom only to let it fall in the hands of a corrupt government which is hell bent on screwing the law abiding majority? I have the utmost respect and love for the brave men and women who fought for our country but I should say the vast majority of them, some of whom I have been very privileged to meet, feel the same way as I do. The government hasn't the faintest idea just how disaffected so many of us feel.

After what I have just said, maybe I should be ashamed to confess that I have never voted at a general election, but quite frankly most politician's disgust me. Some have integrity, but the rest have hardly a complete backbone between them, sitting on their fat income pontificating and making empty speeches which are just theatre in the house of commons. We pay them to act on our behalf, to represent us and do something positive.

I wasn't a Thatcherite but as others have said, at least you knew what she stood for. As I see it, a no vote is a vote of no confidence for any electable party and I hope one day they will look into why so many poeple don't vote. When they have a tickbox which says something like, there is no-one which will stand up for my values, the values for which my father went to war', then I will vote.

If I see an MP who says to Brunstrom, "you know what, you are incompetent and now you're just taking the piss" and frog marches the SOB out of office in disgrace, maybe it will give us some hope.

I Hope I haven't overstepped the mark. It's just that I'm very passionate about this and we're all friends of Safespeed so...

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

I think that in some other post someone said that this present Government was voted in by a minority of the UK voting population. So could it be that those that did not vote let that minority decide the future of this country.

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

It was around 22% of those eligible to vote. I have to agree with both of you especially the piece about the minority voting, what real alternative is there however? UKIP are as close to the old Conservative party as you can get but they have little local voice and are still seen as a single issue party.

The Conservatives are commiting suicide, the Lib Dems, well let's not bother with them, and Labour, I don't think/hope, they'll get in for another 50 years after what they've done to this country.

That said, there's people who after one speech, think that Gordon Brown's a nice guy and a strong leader mind how you go!

That's what worries me...

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Useless laws weaken necessary laws.

Trouble is, when there is no viable alternative people start voting for exreme partys as a protest vote. I know of, and have heard of, sooo many people nowadays who intend to vote for the BNP.

Even friends of mine who have voted for Labour or Conservate all their lives! I'll be honest, I have considered it myself and I'm honestly not a racist.

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Personally I think UKIP missed a trick when they first started, many people thought of them as being a breath of fresh air in politics but they let that slip by not having a local base with which to deal. I still think that UKIP can recover themselves, they just need field more local candidates. I think the BNP vote is a protest vote, in other words people are so angry, that they state they're going to vote BNP because they know it p!55es the likes off the other parties, i'd be surprised if BNP ever managed to get a single MP into parliament to be honest with you.

Sometimes, the simpler solution is probably to make a go of it abroad, with a fresh start.

I fear you are right, but what difference does it make when in reality you only have a choice between two useless partys? It amounts to a choice between being hung or being shot

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

I agree with Big Tone, there should be a "none of the above" option on ballots, and if that gets a majority the vote is rerun, and none of the existing candidates are allowed to stand.

That would mean that voting would have to be compulsory, but hey, we could make it easier using web, interactive TV, mobly phones, as well as the ballot boxes? General elections would last longer, rather than all over in one night. The American way of having the election in November but the pres doesn't take office until January may help?

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COAST Not just somewhere to keep a beach.

A young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless, in a world of criminals who operate above the law.

Might be worth entering that as a petition on the No10 site.

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Useless laws weaken necessary laws.

And then some candidates would get more votes than there are voters - as in a certain Midlands city , where the words " more like some third world election " were quoted.

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Speaking personally, I can understand most folks honestly felt points of view at least to some degree. After all, if everyone was happy, there wouldn't be an "opposition"!.......

What really gets MY goat is the: Office of: "Party Whip".......

WHEN? was this monstrosity introduced? anyone know?....... because THAT was when "Democracy" died!

WHAT is the point, of YOU, electing YOUR MP, on HIS/HER stated beliefs. Only for them to be over-rided later in the H.of P. by the party "bullies" telling them that IF they DON'T vote in: ......."This Way" they can forget any future promotion!.........


It happens in ALL parties, and it doesn't sound like "Democracy" to me!.....

the BNP are gaining votes on the back of so much political correctness, many young white males feel marginalised by policys and attitudes that openly discriminate against them.

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Fear is a weapon of mass distraction

AGREED!

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

And the answer is for the mainstream parties to either get out of this harmful, PC politics, or face the consequences. As a life-long tory (:bunker:), I now vote BNP as a protest vote...

I watched Demolition Man on telly a couple of nights ago, and I swear I could see elements of the 'new' society developing here?

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Pecunia Prius Equitas et Salus

I have & have had friends & relationships with allsorts of nationalities & colours... I could not vote BNP and look them in the eye. yeah, some of their recent talk sounds quite rational to a level headed person but that just underlines the worthlessness of the other parties.

end of the day though every action has an equal and opposite reaction- the BNPs recent sucess is an unavoidable and "nessecary" reaction to PC culture.

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Fear is a weapon of mass distraction

I agree with you Handy and I wouldn't be surprise if that' s how things progress. But then a thought hit me in the face like a wet fish...

With so much hacking into banks etc. I'm sure something as big as an election would be a sure fire target for highjacking the figures.

I think a ballot box has many checks and balances but once you start sending things through the aether all manner of things could go wrong

Maybe I'm just paranoid?

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

the "none of the above" is a good idea, but I'm against compulsary voting... If someone really can't be bothered I think it's better they don't vote, as it'll devalue elections further as parties launch last minute gimmicks to sway blase voters...

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Fear is a weapon of mass distraction

I'm sort of with you on this, although working in IT and slightly involved in security / identity and authentication issues (trying to set some good policy in place for my organisation) I feel that there is scope for making it extremely difficult to "hack". That, along with the increased number of people voting, should make it more difficult to change a vote enough to be statistically significant? Checks and balances, that's the solution ... and good (automated) analytical tools to ensure that any results that have been tampered with are easily identified.

But then "compulsory" probably doesn't work either, as hairyben highlights. I was just freewheeling in thoughts a little. I think there are 2 major problems (well, 3, counting party whips - I wholly agree with the sentiments above):

1. Not enough people vote
2. The candidates do not offer suitable representation or rather the selection of candidates on offer are all as bad as each other.

Actually, 1 is probably driven by 2 but if we fix 2 through the "none of the above" option, how do we rescue or recover the position of 1?

Is there an incentive that can be used instead of compulsion? Free chocolate would work for me, but then I am more of a conscientious voter than others. 1000 Tesco clubcard points for every "Tesco Value" voter? 2000 votes if you use the "Tesco Select" voting booth? I'm probably being silly now, what the heck, it's poets day!

With regards to setting up a petition, I'm going to take that idea on, in a separate thread though.

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COAST Not just somewhere to keep a beach.

A young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless, in a world of criminals who operate above the law.

Or we could go the american route

Road to "The Governator"

It may keep them honest.