Safe Speed Forums

The campaign for genuine road safety
It is currently Tue Nov 18, 2025 07:20

All times are UTC [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 24 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 04:27 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sat Mar 06, 2004 06:46
Posts: 16903
Location: Safe Speed
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/mai ... whit02.xml

Driving young men sane

Measures that would reduce the death toll among young drivers are long overdue yet the authorities are unwilling to act, says John Whitmore

Road crashes are the single biggest killer of 15- to 24-year-olds in industrial countries, and more that 8,500 young drivers die in the 30 OECD nations each year. Death rates among under-25s are double those of older drivers and young men have three times the death rate of young women, more of whom die in the passenger seat than in the driving seat. The more young passengers a young driver carries, the greater the likelihood of an accident.

So young men are below-average drivers, and are at far greater risk. Yet, as with all motorists, the main problem is not so much a lack of car control skill as showing off, aggression, competitiveness, over-confidence, distraction, drugs, alcohol and fatigue. Conventional driving instruction has no effect on these things whatever. This is my starting point.

Why has nothing been done about this up to now? There are two reasons.

First, in Britain at least, there has been no clear ultimate authority on driving. The Driving Standards Agency (DSA), which trains and certifies examiners, once told me that it looks to the police for top driving expertise, but the police - the Association of Chief Police Officers Traffic Committee and Hendon police driving school - ducked that responsibility. The Transport Research Laboratory only does what its label suggests and the Department for Transport delegates to others, having little expertise of its own. So, basically, no one knows what they are doing.

Second, I and others have lobbied the police, the DSA, the Institute of Advanced Motorists, the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents, the British School of Motoring, the High Performance Course and similarly interested driver-training organisations with solid reports and expertise for more than 20 years, yet we have met a lot of resistance, little enthusiasm and no action.

Their greatest problem has been that their expertise lies in the repetitive instruction of an obsolete method of car control and road behaviour. The psychological knowledge about beliefs and attitudes, such as those that literally consume young people, are simply outside their remit and expertise, so they minimise or ignore them.

What is being done now? The accident statistics are so stark and the attitude problem so obvious that the authorities in Britain and elsewhere are finally taking the issue seriously, and several UK and EU research and recommendation projects are under way, as I mentioned in a previous column. Many are in their early stages and only a few are complete, but since such projects have seldom progressed far or fast enough, this is not surprising.

It is the way of institutions that they wait for the completion of lengthy academic reports before they take action, even when the result is a foregone conclusion. Thus we will eventually be told that research has now proved that driver attitude is the problem, and that current teaching methods contribute nothing to resolving it. But we knew this 20 years ago, and we had the methodology for dealing with it. How many young lives might have been saved in the meantime?

We should already be setting up government-funded pilot schemes for new driver education and examination procedures that address the known problems. There are a number of highly skilled, highly experienced, hands-on experts who have worked with young people on safety issues, on attitude problems and on skills learning where attitude has an impact, who would be only too happy to work together to design such programmes in conjunction with, but not dominated by, the DSA and driving schools. These could be up and running in a few months, and their results monitored as they go. We don't have to wait for more death tolls to evaluate how such training can change attitudes. We have done it for years elsewhere.

Setting that most important issue aside, there are additional solutions. Sweden, for example, showed that by extending the recommended accompanied driver hours from 50 to 120, accidents in the first two years after licensing were reduced by 40 per cent. There are also technical ways of enforcing life-saving restrictions on young men, such as banning and electronically monitoring night driving, fitting their cars with a breathalyser-activated ignition key and restricting the age and number of passengers.

These measures might seem intrusive, but they work, and young men are inviting their introduction by default. A major objection - which I share - is that technology and legislation replace self-responsibility, which is ultimately what we must build. Yet that responsibility is not only for themselves, but for their passengers and for society as a whole. When we all behave in a mature and responsible way, Big Brother can go home.

The UK and EU projects are also exploring the feasibility of including road safety in the school curriculum, and if so who should deliver it: a teacher, safety officer, driving instructor or attitude training expert. The latter might have a beneficial impact far beyond driving, but no doubt some myopic parents would object to so-called nanny-state brainwashing.

There is also an argument for providing simple vehicles in which young teenagers can learn car control in a safe, off-road space; novice drivers on the road experience multi-tasking overload until basic car control becomes automatic and only then is any proper attention devoted to their surroundings. Such projects could be school- or community-based, perhaps sponsored by businesses with car parks that could be used in certain hours.

Finally, I return to attitude training. I was selected for the European Commission project I discussed two months ago because I am seen by some to be the leading European expert on the most advanced method of coaching for physical and other workplace skills (see www.performanceconsultants.com). The originator of the method was the captain of the Harvard University tennis team, W Timothy Gallwey, who wrote a book called The Inner Game of Tennis. Here I offer two quotes to help understanding:

"The opponent within one's own head is more daunting than the one on the other side of the net."

"The goal of the Inner Game (real coaching) is to eliminate the internal (attitudinal) obstacles to performance, learning, and enjoyment."

I trained with Tim, founded The Inner Game in Europe and wrote a book, Coaching for Performance (published by Nicholas Brearley, now in 22 languages), that expands the application of these principles. It has taken 20 years, but this method is now coming into widespread use; since I worked with the All Blacks, New Zealand has adopted it as the primary method for all sports coaches. Coaching for Performance, which I commend to all driving instructors and their victims, is now available for £10.99 (rrp £12.99) + £1.25 p&p from Telegraph Books; call 0870 428 4112.

If you agree with what I am advocating, then please tell the authorities to which you have access, either directly or through this paper. If you disagree, please let me know why.

Sir John Whitmore welcomes responses to his monthly column, either at the bottom of this page or by post c/o the Motoring Desk, The Daily Telegraph, 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London SW1W 0DT.

_________________
Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 05:07 
Offline
Friend of Safe Speed
Friend of Safe Speed

Joined: Sat Mar 06, 2004 12:01
Posts: 4813
Location: Essex
A lot of common sense there...


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 05:21 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sat Mar 06, 2004 06:46
Posts: 16903
Location: Safe Speed
Roger wrote:
A lot of common sense there...


Yeah. It's a shame that such common sense isn't more common.

_________________
Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 08:14 
Offline
Gold Member
Gold Member
User avatar

Joined: Wed Aug 10, 2005 00:04
Posts: 2311
SafeSpeed wrote:
It's a shame that such common sense isn't more common.

and a bigger shame that he ruins it by bad mouthing the entire advanced driving community as obsolete and then goes on to plug his book.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 10:54 
Offline
Member
Member

Joined: Fri Apr 09, 2004 14:04
Posts: 2325
Location: The interweb
Yes a lot of common sense but why is it that....
SafeSpeed wrote:
Road crashes are the single biggest killer of 15- to 24-year-olds in industrial countries,

Is always made out to be such a bad thing?

Isn't it a good thing that our 15 to 24 year olds are not predominantly being murdered, or dying of disease?

Something has to be "the biggest killer of...", there's no avoiding that. Eliminate road accidents and there will be an outcry that the biggest killer of 15 to 24 year olds is tiddlywinks.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 12:29 
Offline
Life Member
Life Member
User avatar

Joined: Sun Sep 25, 2005 15:00
Posts: 1109
Location: Can't see.
Have you considered the use of simulators?

I gather these can be incredibly realistic in applications like aircraft training and formula 1, and while expensive to build do not need so much upkeep or an off-road course, can provide a risk-free enviroment and can simulate any conditions. They could also be used by people requiring out-of-hours training.

obviously not a replacement for real driving experience but a usefull supplementry tool?

_________________
Fear is a weapon of mass distraction


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 13:03 
Offline
User

Joined: Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:27
Posts: 361
hairyben wrote:
Have you considered the use of simulators?

I gather these can be incredibly realistic in applications like aircraft training and formula 1, and while expensive to build do not need so much upkeep or an off-road course, can provide a risk-free enviroment and can simulate any conditions. They could also be used by people requiring out-of-hours training.

obviously not a replacement for real driving experience but a usefull supplementry tool?

They have them already.

Playstations. :)


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 00:29 
Offline
Member
Member

Joined: Wed Feb 16, 2005 18:54
Posts: 4036
Location: Cumbria
I think simulators should be more widely used - even if it means making the process of obtaining a licence more costly and time consuming. I know I'd be preaching to the converted here, but education is the only thing that will make a difference and the sooner the authorities realise that, the better.

I think most young lads, totally convinced of their sublime ability behind the wheel will take to a driving simulator like ducks to water - and when the instructor throws them the odd emergency situation and they realise that actually, they're NOT as good as they thought they were, it will make a big difference. Better still, the authorities want to get along to the "cruises" and invite the best respected individuals on to the simulator - in fact, why not take the simulator to the cruises and invite people to try their luck? They can do it with fairground rides. I wouldn't be surprised if you'd even get people paying for a go on it. Jus tthink, we could have the "so you think you're a good driver" challenge....

...word would soon get round their peers.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 02:52 
Offline
Gold Member
Gold Member

Joined: Thu Nov 09, 2006 14:06
Posts: 3654
Location: Oxfordshire
...and the loss of face would make them even more eager to prove themselves on the roads.

I don't think the answer is just to show them how crap they are at driving, but to offer them means and incentive to improve. How about a local league, with a prize of a Wii console or something, for the driver who scores safest on the sim in each age group.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 14:59 
Offline
Life Member
Life Member
User avatar

Joined: Sun Sep 25, 2005 15:00
Posts: 1109
Location: Can't see.
Mole wrote:
and when the instructor throws them the odd emergency situation and they realise that actually, they're NOT as good as they thought they were, it will make a big difference.


my thoughts exactly, could evan have a special program for DUI'ers to take inebriated with gory consequences... shock tactics... worth a shot?

back on the day to day though they would help immensely in highlighting developing complex dangerous situations that the novice doesn't realise untill too late, giving driver training a broader scope than is sometimes possible with basic driver training.

_________________
Fear is a weapon of mass distraction


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 15:11 
Offline
Life Member
Life Member
User avatar

Joined: Sun Sep 25, 2005 15:00
Posts: 1109
Location: Can't see.
Thats the other thing, when my driving instructor started to train me he said something along the lines of "a lot of instructers will teach you how to pass a test, I will teach you how to drive"

Ultimately, the test is little more than an competance assessment of basic car control and observervation; the ability to drive is something you learn afterwards with experience. should that initial learning process be more carefully monitored?

_________________
Fear is a weapon of mass distraction


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 15:14 
Offline
Friend of Safe Speed
Friend of Safe Speed
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 09, 2004 23:09
Posts: 6737
Location: Stockport, Cheshire
I agree that there's much common sense in this article, so it's a pity that Whitmore has previously written such negative and pessimistic stuff about the future of the car.

Another point is that if you require 120 hours of supervised instruction before taking a driving test, the expense will effectively make driving a middle-class preserve and vastly encourage unlicensed driving.

IMV the initial step in the driver licensing/training process should be lower than at present, but included in a staged process that returns you to the start point if you don't get at least one rung higher.

_________________
"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 21:10 
Offline
Member
Member

Joined: Thu Mar 11, 2004 00:24
Posts: 2400
Location: Kendal, Cumbria
PeterE wrote:
I agree that there's much common sense in this article, so it's a pity that Whitmore has previously written such negative and pessimistic stuff about the future of the car...

I first came across John Whitmore about 20 years ago, when I read a book by him about competitive sailing, called The Winning Mind. Although it was nominally about sailing, in truth it was really about psychology, about how to improve your performance by training your mind to work more positively for you. I was deeply impressed by this book, and have read it many times since.

So when he popped up as a new Motoring columnist for the Telegraph I was rubbing my hands together in glee. As an ex racing driver with a deep knowledge of psychology I looked forward to some incisive stuff from him.

Yet practically from his first work onwards it seems everything he writes is advancing some other agenda. AGW theory is treated as proven fact, speed cameras and road charging are good for us, and now he spoils what could have been a thought provoking article with a shameless plug of practically his entire back-catalogue of books. I wonder if they've just been re-printed by the DT perhaps?

From what I've read over the last couple of years he's prostituted himself entirely to blinkered New Labour political doctrine, and to be quite honest I'd take anything he wrote now with a generous pinch of salt.

Which is a pity.

_________________
CSCP Latin for beginners...
Ticketo ergo sum : I scam therefore I am!


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 22:11 
Offline
Gold Member
Gold Member
User avatar

Joined: Wed Dec 08, 2004 14:26
Posts: 4364
Location: Hampshire/Wiltshire Border
I note he's SIR John. Is he a New Labour peer?

_________________
Malcolm W.
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not represent the views of Safespeed.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 22:25 
Offline
Member
Member

Joined: Thu Mar 11, 2004 00:24
Posts: 2400
Location: Kendal, Cumbria
malcolmw wrote:
I note he's SIR John. Is he a New Labour peer?

I think he's actually an hereditary peer.

_________________
CSCP Latin for beginners...
Ticketo ergo sum : I scam therefore I am!


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 22:28 
Offline
Friend of Safe Speed
Friend of Safe Speed
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 09, 2004 23:09
Posts: 6737
Location: Stockport, Cheshire
JT wrote:
malcolmw wrote:
I note he's SIR John. Is he a New Labour peer?

I think he's actually an hereditary peer.

If he's a Sir, he's a Knight, not a Peer. A Peer would be Lord xxxx

_________________
"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 22:30 
Offline
Member
Member

Joined: Thu Mar 11, 2004 00:24
Posts: 2400
Location: Kendal, Cumbria
PeterE wrote:
JT wrote:
malcolmw wrote:
I note he's SIR John. Is he a New Labour peer?

I think he's actually an hereditary peer.

If he's a Sir, he's a Knight, not a Peer. A Peer would be Lord xxxx

In his racing days he was known as "The Racing Baronet", so I suspect his full title would be "Sir John Whitmore, bt"

_________________
CSCP Latin for beginners...
Ticketo ergo sum : I scam therefore I am!


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 23:01 
Offline
Gold Member
Gold Member

Joined: Fri Sep 24, 2004 23:26
Posts: 9268
Location: Treacletown ( just north of M6 J3),A MILE OR TWO PAST BEDROCK
Doesn't it all fall back on
1) the production line "pass the test " methods(Not teach them to drive ).
2) the decimation the traffic police numbers and driving by numbers.

_________________
lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 00:01 
Offline
User
User avatar

Joined: Tue Feb 15, 2005 00:15
Posts: 5232
Location: Windermere
Am I the only one who sees this negative response as a red herring?

Almost any change to driver instruction brings forth the "What about the expense?" argument... but surely we are already paying the cost, in insurance premiums for younger drivers - and improvement in training and accident figures/risk, should bring lower premiums!
Can somebody of youthful years tell me how much they pay to drive NOW, with present premiums?

In addition, the DfT are fond of quoting the cost to the NHS of accidents, so let them save money by paying for better training, and reduce casualties at the same time!
In any case, ANY measure which brings down the death toll should be welcomed whatever the expense.

_________________
Time to take responsibility for our actions.. and don't be afraid of speaking out!


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 11:32 
Offline
Member
Member

Joined: Sat Mar 05, 2005 18:38
Posts: 396
Location: Glasgow
Roger wrote:
A lot of common sense there...


Yes but then he also states "That is why I support Ken Livingstone, fuel tax, road tolls, lower speed limits, enforcement cameras and traffic calming. I would even be happy to see a ban on cars of more than, say, 100bhp."


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 24 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

All times are UTC [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You can post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
[ Time : 0.028s | 11 Queries | GZIP : Off ]