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so how do we reduce the accident rate?

Police patrols would fare just as well...folks slowing down and then booting it again once clear

With respect, I'm not 'banging on' about anything, just raising a point and, in my own experience, (although contrary to what this site may maintain is so) speed or the inappropriate use of it WAS determined as the cause of many of the accidents I had to clean up after in my career. Although I do concede there are many incidents on our roads that speed isn't a deciding factor in the outcome.
That is not the question... I asked...
"just what would it take to stop morons killing themselves or perhaps in so doing taking some innocent party with them in their 'need for speed'?"
...I qualify using the term 'moron' as being someone who, despite the road/weather or other conditions, is or seems to be, incapable of going at any other speed than in excess to that which would be considered "safe".

The answer to the question is Education, and secondly Road Engineering. Poor road design causes more accidents than speed.

As far as education goes...where to start?
How do you get a horse to actually drink that water you led him to?

With respect, I'm not 'banging on' about anything, just raising a point and, in my own experience, (although contrary to what this site may maintain is so) speed or the inappropriate use of it WAS determined as the cause of many of the accidents I had to clean up after in my career. Although I do concede there are many incidents on our roads that speed isn't a deciding factor in the outcome.
That is not the question... I asked...
"just what would it take to stop morons killing themselves or perhaps in so doing taking some innocent party with them in their 'need for speed'?"
...I qualify using the term 'moron' as being someone who, despite the road/weather or other conditions, is or seems to be, incapable of going at any other speed than in excess to that which would be considered "safe".

Motorcyclists are to blame for the UK’s most dangerous road, according to a local councillor.

Councillor Tony Martin, in charge of the A682 in Lancashire, named today as the country’s most dangerous road, told BBC Radio Five Live: “I could certainly improve the accident record if I could ban motorcyclists from it.”

“The difficulty we face is that it’s a very, if you want, exciting road for people like motorcyclists to use because it’s got a lot of ups and downs, dips and nice turns, linear bends," said Tony Martin

A survey by the European Road Assessment Programme (Eurorap) reported that a 15-mile stretch of the popular biking route, from junction 13 of the M65 to Long Preston, had been the site of 100 deaths or serious injuries in a decade, the equivalent to five major rail crashes. Eurorap said 57% of collisions on the road involved a motorcycle. It said problems arose from the road being ‘not well marked for motorcyclists who need road markings which guide on the “where you look is where you go” principle’.

Is it our fault or is road design the more likely culprit? Have your say by adding a comment below.

spitandgrowl says

Plank

Let's break his comments into digestible quantities. Firstly he claims to be 'in charge of the A682'.... your are NOT. The local highway authority is, not an individual – PLANK 1 Secondly, he seems to think that removing motorcycles would reduce accidents. His comments suggest that all of the 57% of accidents were caused by motorcycles. I would like to know whether he has read each individual accident report to determine how the accident occurred. Eurorap states the accidents 'involved' not 'caused by' motorcycles. If motorcycles are involved then there is good chance of other road users causing the accident and motorcycle getting 'involved'. If I held such a responsible position I would check my facts before making such an uneducated statement. - PLANK 2 Thirdly he suggests that it's only motorcyclists that find the road exciting. What about car drivers? - PLANK 3 There is no mention of how the 100 deaths and serious injuries are proportioned to the 57% or more importantly the remaining 43%, so how can a statement be made against weak stats. - PLANK 4 Eurorap’s statement of …’not well marked for motorcyclists who need road markings which guide on the “where you look is where you go” principle’’… yeah, the same applies to car driver aswell. All in all the presentation of the report is biase and hold little merit. Also how id the report become publi cknowledge. Also, what has local highway authroity got to say on the matter. Plus if this PLANK is ‘in charge’ of the road, why has he neglected to address the issues for 10 years. That I believe is failing to act under the due care of duty. TONY MARTIN... YOU ARE A PLANK

so how do we reduce the accident rate?

A682 M65 J13 to A65 LONG PRESTON

# 24km single lane


A54 CONGLETON TO BUXTON

# 24km single lane


A683 M6 J34 TO KIRKBY LONSDALE

# 24km single lane


A62 DIGGLE TO HUDDERSFIELD

# 18km single lane


A671 BURNLEY TO A59 WHALLEY

# 10km single lane


A1079 MARKET WEIGHTON TO KINGSTON-UPON-HULL

# 32km single lane


A53 LEEK TO BUXTON

# 20km single lane