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What?!?!?

How long have they had to think up that reply?

It looks like Tony knocked it up while he was packing.


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Yes Paul, but much as I applaud your diligence, the message is only diminished if it contains typos, spelling mistakes and grammatical errors - as sadly is all too often the case. Proofread it.


You know, Paul is basically doing all this himself. Writing a plethora of press releases, doing interviews, FOI requests, researching road safety. I'm amazed he gets so much done, and in general his writing is of a consistently high standard.

I think it's quite insulting of you to ask him to do even more (proofreading takes time), and I honestly doubt he could fit any more into his schedule. Perhaps it would be helpful if you offer to proofread all his press releases yourself?


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I doubt the government even cares if its response is correct or not, it doesn't matter to them because there's nothing any of us can do about it anyway. They want to provide us with the illusion of being able to protest, not the opportunity to actually change anything.


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Labour long since ran out of constructive policies. So they resort to introducing pointless laws that have the effect of reducing personal liberty. However as an exception, I fully support the smoking ban. Sorry. :wink:



Ahh, but is the effect one that is accidental or one that was planned ?

You see, I keep wondering just how long people are going to put-up with paying extortionate taxes to buttress an inefficient, wasteful and non-democratic public service.

Laws introduced since the poll tax riots mean that mass arrests are likely if there is a repeat of same, and demonstrating near number 10 or parliament is also a no-no now.

Road pricing forges ahead, the desired effect is that of massive financial input into gov coffers. But I see no planning for taxation reduction on fuel, or anything else.

If the public services keep enlisting more people, they will soon employ 10% of the population. The manpower employed has risen by about 700,000 in the last 12 years.


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However as an exception, I fully support the smoking ban. Sorry. :wink:


I did in principle too, mainly for the benefit of bar staff, but like everything else they touch they had to go and mess it up with extremist garbage like including bus stops and work vehicles with one occupant. Not to mention the signs fiasco that is making the country look like a red and white graffiti sprawl.


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However as an exception, I fully support the smoking ban. Sorry. :wink:


I did in principle too, mainly for the benefit of bar staff, but like everything else they touch they had to go and mess it up with extremist garbage like including bus stops and work vehicles with one occupant. Not to mention the signs fiasco that is making the country look like a red and white graffiti sprawl.


Yes I used to be a lecturer at Manchester University. Smoking was banned except in rooms where the occupant smoked by himself. Except that in rooms with two smokers, neither could smoke.

As for signage, you should see the mess in Ireland!

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What?!?!?

How long have they had to think up that reply?

It looks like Tony knocked it up while he was packing.


The "research" they refer to includes this gem:

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Both casualties and deaths were down - after allowing for the long-term trend, but without allowing for selection effects (such as regression-to-mean) there was a 22% reduction in personal injury collisions (PICs) at sites after cameras were introduced.


So they acknowledge the huge statistical error, but nevertheless discount its relevance. The mind boggles. :o

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Yes Paul, but much as I applaud your diligence, the message is only diminished if it contains typos, spelling mistakes and grammatical errors - as sadly is all too often the case. Proofread it.


You know, Paul is basically doing all this himself. Writing a plethora of press releases, doing interviews, FOI requests, researching road safety. I'm amazed he gets so much done, and in general his writing is of a consistently high standard.

I think it's quite insulting of you to ask him to do even more (proofreading takes time), and I honestly doubt he could fit any more into his schedule. Perhaps it would be helpful if you offer to proofread all his press releases yourself?

I'm not trying to be insulting. I'm well aware of how hard Paul works, and I applaud him for it. However if his message is to get across effectively, it has to be put correctly. If it isn't, it appears amateurish, and the content is demeaned as a result.

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I have been in the mobile office for a few hours this week.
The phone rings - a new story.
The journalist emails him a new story. He then dashes off to another interview, he drafts a response and a pr, spell checks it proof reads it and then sends it out. meanwhile 2 more spoiler stories have come in and it all starts again. It is so easy to read past a missing word.

I doubt any one else could do it.

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nedsram wrote:
Yes Paul, but much as I applaud your diligence, the message is only diminished if it contains typos, spelling mistakes and grammatical errors - as sadly is all too often the case. Proofread it.


You know, Paul is basically doing all this himself. Writing a plethora of press releases, doing interviews, FOI requests, researching road safety. I'm amazed he gets so much done, and in general his writing is of a consistently high standard.

I think it's quite insulting of you to ask him to do even more (proofreading takes time), and I honestly doubt he could fit any more into his schedule. Perhaps it would be helpful if you offer to proofread all his press releases yourself?

I'm not trying to be insulting. I'm well aware of how hard Paul works, and I applaud him for it. However if his message is to get across effectively, it has to be put correctly. If it isn't, it appears amateurish, and the content is demeaned as a result.

If that's the case then the BBC site and the Grauniad appear just as amateurish, and probably more so.

Even the Telegraph has schoolboy errors these days. An article a few months ago had "effect" instead of "affect", twice. Paul has the aforementioned reasons for the occasional slip, and is only (one) human, but a quality broadsheet with all manner of editors/subeditors should be impeccable.

IME there are few regular popular news publications that are completely free of basic errors. I don't think Paul's PRs stick out as being in the least amateurish. He's struck exactly the right balance in the tradeoff between speed and meticulous, 100%, constant correctness.


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'Independent research (new window), published in December 2005, shows that safety cameras had saved around 1,745 people from being killed or seriously injured, and had prevented around 4,230 personal injury collisions on Britain's roads each year.'

Wow! That's a lot of taxpayers to help keep our Neo-Nazi regime financially healthy.


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Disgruntled_Voter wrote:
'Independent research (new window), published in December 2005, shows that safety cameras had saved around 1,745 people from being killed or seriously injured, and had prevented around 4,230 personal injury collisions on Britain's roads each year.'

Wow! That's a lot of taxpayers to help keep our Neo-Nazi regime financially healthy.



And if we look at certain years in some areas(think Cumbria is one this year) ,we find that KSI have gone up one year over the previous year ( :oops1:)- so can we now say ,by reverse logic that "safety cameras " have contributed to these deaths.Oh - :welcome:

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When they came for the smokers, I remained silent; I was not a smoker.


Were you alluding to Martin Niemoller I wonder?...

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

It's still going on today; different faces, different issues - same agenda. It's all about power and control...

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It's still going on today; different faces, different issues - same agenda. It's all about power and control...


It does make me wonder a bit <wanderingofftopic mode=ON>

Given the immoral,hypocritical and dishonest attitude that our politicians have, if the higher up members of government were down at the levels of 'normal' people would they care if they hit children outside a school at 50mph? Would they even bother to stop-or have an MOT and insurance? I bet they'd find a way not to pay road tax...

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Clearly there can be little doubt that this whole project of Downing St. e-petitions is nothing more than a stunt to delude the masses into believing that we have a caring, listening government. In fact the government doesn't listen, and doesn't give a toss about you and me. First we had 1.8m people calling for pay-as-you-go to be scrapped. They were accused of being "misguided". Now we have a summary dismissal of 28,000 votes for the abolition of speed cameras because Nanny knows best. And, no doubt we will be denied an EU referendum because we are "uninformed". These decisions just go to show the degree to which this government is out of touch with the elctorate.

British politics is becalmed. We've been in the Doldrums since 1992 with no real end in sight, with Labour having won the 1997 and 2001 elections by default. At least in the 1970s during the Wilson-Callaghan years, the Opposition resembled an F1 racing team with their car revving its engine on the starting grid. Sadly, the Opposition these days resembles an F1 car still in the pit lane with all its wheels off, and the pit crew searching for the wheel brace.


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The British people have always been deluded, mainly by their own inability to see the wood for the trees.
The reality is that democracy has never existed, and never will.
You vote for people who regard you with contempt, never mind which party they belong to, because they know that it is what you deserve.
And really, they are right.
Your attention is on speed cameras, and getting them trashed, not on diminishing freedoms.
Your chance of getting speed cameras trashed is small, and if you do they'll only be replaced by something better and more widespread, like in-car speed checking and road pricing devices.
The chance of getting back the freedoms that are fast diminidhing is also small....mainly because the "it'll all be ok once the conservatives are back" brigade are also rather inept at recognising that no political party runs things anymore.


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Quotation from 3 musketeers tonight possibly says it all -"The English will never object or do anything ,unless it is about cruelty to horses or the price of beer ".

A bit of fiction perhaps, but horribly true today.

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