Safe Speed Forums

Hi All,
When my daughter was visiting yesterday she came down a 70 limit section of the road near our home that changes to a 30 limit.On entering the 30 limit she noticed a mobile speed van,Transit type.parked on private ground in front of some houses.Each house has a small piece of land in front,which most owners use to park their car on.It is about 15-20ft in depth and as long as each house frontage.The van was parked on one of these pieces of frontage with the rear of the van facing the 70 limit and the camera looking through one darkened door window. The van was sandwiched in between two cars and so one car was obscuring the bottom half of the rear of the van which obviously covered any markings that were there.
Upon leaving the 70 zone and entering the 30 limit the van from approx 1/4 mile away, looked like any ordinary van at first glance.My daughter ,as much by chance as anything was only doing 30,but when she told me what had happened it made me think.
a:-Are mobile speed camera vans allowed to use private property in this manner and b:-I thought that the van had to be in full view and not to have any of its markings obscured.
Any help would be appreciated,even if only to keep my daughter quiet.She insists I have got it all wrong.javascript:emoticon(':?')
Confused

Was there a footpath at the side of the road ?
And was the land actually private ?
I only ask this because the land does not have to be tarmacced to be a public highway.
In any case, it makes no difference since the charge would be speeding, not being pictured by an illegally parked van.

The speeding charge would still stick, but could the house owner charge the scamera van operator with trespass?

they could probably take them to court for trespass, but what for ?
What is the point of phoning the police to make a complaint against ...the police ?
Would it mean the speeding case collapsing ?
No.
Would it mean the complainant being checked for bad tyres and a whole load of other things, every time they went out on the road ?
Probably.
Let sleeping speed camera vans lie.

These were some of the points my daughter raised.I just happened to think that it was wrong to be able to park their van in such a way.Also what about the bottom half of the van being obscured. Maybe they would have been valid points for somebody who had been caught, to argue their case.I travel that way fairly often and have never seen the van there before.
You never know,the way things are going, they will be putting police in unmarked cars next to try and catch us out lol.

Unless it was a duel carriageway, a national speed limit road is 60mph

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

Hi Anton.Yes sorry about that wasn`t thinking.It was 60mph.Just mainly explaining the layout.It was the placing of the van and having it partly obscured which was more the issue.
Cheers.

no problem... unless you are in a van its 50 and a truck 40...

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

Bycycle 10,lol.

No, bicycles don't have any speed limits.

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Andrew.

Its not bad this forum,only here a couple of days and learnt something new already!!!!!!javascript:emoticon(':roll:')
Rolling Eyes

if you can be prosecuted for being drunk in charge of a bicycle, then you can be prosecuted for speeding on said bicycle. That said, you'd be having to go down hill with a tail wind and pissed as a fart...

With a rocket up your rectum.

I'm pretty sure that speed limits only apply to "motor vehicles".
Bicycles are therefore exempt. So are rocket propelled vehicles.

A lot of people could exceed 20mph on a bicycle. Or could they without "pedalling furiously"? (another offence) Hmm...

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Andrew.

I suppose this rather depends on what the strict legal definition of a "Motor" is!

(See http://aardvark.co.nz/pjet/ )

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"The road to a police state is paved with public safety legislation"

Sorry that is not correct, bicycles are bound by the same rules governing speed as cars are. However, when caught speeding a cyclist obviously doesn't get their licence endorsed.
Hence why I think 20mph speed limits are great, a lot of cyclists will be breaking the law!

Speed limits apply only to "motor vehicles".


This thread started off as a discussion on the subject.

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Andrew.