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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 09:23 
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Something I've been forced into thinking about today due to picking up a lovely 1.2 courtesy car whilst mine's in for its service.

Why is it that big, fast sporty cars are seen as bad things that are likely to kill and maim (by Mr and Mrs Average, I mean), yet nice little runabouts such as the one I have the pleasure of driving now are seen as friendly, loveable little things? Indeed, the Government now even charge us extra VED on our big engined cars, and want to up that even more.

The reason I'm asking all this is that following a jaunt down the A1M in the 1.2 I now have the pleasure of driving, I've never felt so vulnerable in my whole life. I guess the problem is that when faced with a situation on a road, you generally have three ways out: slow down; speed up or steer out of the way; or some combination of those three. Now in the car I currently have, the vehicles ability to accelerate its way out of danger is almost entirely removed above 30mph, and it's bloody scary!

Not only that, but its braking and steering ability is way below what I'm used to, so I'm scuppered on those fronts to a certain extent too.

So, why are big-braked, highly powered vehicles seen as dangerous when I know for a fact that my normal 250+ BHP car is about 3 bazillion times safer than what I'm in now, despite the fact that it can do 150mph?

Another example of the fallacy of the 'Speed Kills' argument...

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I found a similar problem. In my fast Fiat Punto 1.4 GT I can pull out of a side-road onto a main road or complete an overtaking manouevre with no problems, because I have powerful enough acceleration to complete it.

But with my Ford Galaxy (which is a 1.9 but less powerful because it's a TDi and overall a bigger car) I'm less likely to complete the manoeuvre if the other vehicles decide to speed up or if I have slightly misjudged, and they are sometimes forced to slow down or I am left halfway through an overtake with nowhere to go.


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I've never felt so vulnerable in my whole life. I guess the problem is that when faced with a situation on a road, you generally have three ways out: slow down; speed up or steer out of the way; or some combination of those three. Now in the car I currently have, the vehicles ability to accelerate its way out of danger is almost entirely removed above 30mph, and it's bloody scary!


Heh, the car I currently drive (and indeed the only car I have driven, bar my instructor's car when I was learning) is a 1.2. It accelerates OK from 30-50 in 3rd, but after that you may as well be at top speed in terms of overtaking. Forces things like overtaking to be planned much more in advance, which is probably good from a safety point of view as it requires looking and thinking further down the road. The problem is that it means things like starting to accelerate towards a car I intend to overtake 1/4 mile down the road on the extremely short bit of dual carriageway, so judgement is called for! However it's usually possible to abort the manouvre if it's unasafe - I'd say the brakes on my car are actually pretty good, can get down from 70-50 in no time at all (which seems to be the typical slowdown required to abort an overtake). Never had to use them in an emergency situation above 10 mph yet. I may have to go and find a deserted road to test my emergency stopping powers, tbh.. Wouldn't be nice if the first time I have to put the brakes to the test is when a child runs out in front of me...

Um. I kind of forgot what point I was making. But never mind. :)

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The thing I remember about driving underpowered cars is the tendancy to try to keep ones speed when tackling obstacles, like roundabouts or giveway lines.

If you have the power to accelerate then you don't mind dropping that last 20 to 30 mph because you know you'll be back up to speed in a few car lengths. Whereas the shopping cart will be grinding up through the gears for the next few minutes.


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Definitely know what you mean there... I approach roundabouts quite quickly, although not so quickly that I can't stop if it's not clear. There are a few round here where I need to take the first exit, which is a more-or-less straight on direction. At night time there is little or no traffic so it's easy to just carry on at 35-40. Wouldn't recommend this for turning off or for when you can't see, though :P

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CarlP wrote:
Something I've been forced into thinking about today due to picking up a lovely 1.2 courtesy car whilst mine's in for its service.

Why is it that big, fast sporty cars are seen as bad things that are likely to kill and maim (by Mr and Mrs Average, I mean), yet nice little runabouts such as the one I have the pleasure of driving now are seen as friendly, loveable little things? Indeed, the Government now even charge us extra VED on our big engined cars, and want to up that even more.

The reason I'm asking all this is that following a jaunt down the A1M in the 1.2 I now have the pleasure of driving, I've never felt so vulnerable in my whole life. I guess the problem is that when faced with a situation on a road, you generally have three ways out: slow down; speed up or steer out of the way; or some combination of those three. Now in the car I currently have, the vehicles ability to accelerate its way out of danger is almost entirely removed above 30mph, and it's bloody scary!

Not only that, but its braking and steering ability is way below what I'm used to, so I'm scuppered on those fronts to a certain extent too.

So, why are big-braked, highly powered vehicles seen as dangerous when I know for a fact that my normal 250+ BHP car is about 3 bazillion times safer than what I'm in now, despite the fact that it can do 150mph?

Because we show our government that we have some money available to tax. If we can afford the big car, the Government want to take more tax from us. That is the only reason.

Another example of the fallacy of the 'Speed Kills' argument...

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I was pulled a 4 years ago near Bristol at 1 am driving a hire 1.0 Fiesta. The Trafpol remarked that I was driving at a "remarkable speed" around a roundabout. I did not deny it said that it corners well but does not accelerate much - he simply agreed and sent me on my way


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