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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 08:21 
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Tories to end out-of-town free parking
By Graeme Wilson, Political Correspondent
Last Updated: 2:15am BST 11/09/2007

Shoppers using out-of-town supermarkets would be forced to pay car parking charges under new Conservative proposals to defend the traditional British high street.

Under the plans, councils would be given the power to demand that big supermarkets and other stores on the outskirts of towns charge their customers for parking.

The proposals - which are contained in the party's quality of life policy review that will be published on Thursday - are likely to face a backlash from shoppers, who have grown accustomed to free parking at the out-of-town supermarkets and shopping complexes. The 800-page report tries to deflect the inevitable criticism by stressing that the parking charges would be no greater than the amount people would pay in the nearest town centre.

The policy review group, which was co-chaired by Zac Goldsmith, the millionaire environmental campaigner, and John Gummer, the former Tory environment secretary, added that the money raised by the new charges would be used by the local authority to fund improved public transport.

The proposal emerged as David Cameron, the Conservative leader, pledged yesterday that his party would impose new "green taxes" in an attempt to encourage people to cut the amount of carbon they produced.

He said the money raised would be used to reduce taxes in other areas.

"With my government, any new green taxes will be replacement taxes, not new stealth taxes," he said in a speech to the London School of Economics.

"That is the right direction for the environment and it's the right direction for our economy. It is the best way to deliver the green growth that must be our aim."

Mr Cameron argued that a new approach was needed after a decade during which "the poorest in our society have got poorer … social mobility is falling.

"Some estates in Britain have a lower life expectancy than the Gaza Strip."

The Tory leader promised more independence for the Bank of England, a new war against red tape and insisted that the proceeds of economic growth would be shared between investment in public services and tax cuts.

He argued that a Tory government would do more to help hard-working families who were finding it increasingly difficult to make ends meet.

"When young families look to take their first steps on to the housing ladder, they find that even the bottom rung is unattainable. Half of all families now rely on their parents for help in buying their first home," he said.

Mr Cameron's call for green taxes will be backed in the quality of life policy review on Thursday. The report will also argue that local communities should be given more powers to resist plans for big superstores in order to defend local shops. It will say that there should be "guidance on issues such as the floor space -allocated to superstore development, including an upper limit cap if desirable."

It said the planning system needed to be changed so that it encouraged diversity at a time when the four biggest supermarket chains controlled three quarters of the food retail market.

There should also be tougher checks on the "wider sustainability" of plans for new out-of-town stores.

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I'd imagine most stores would 'charge' then knock the cost off the shopping. Pointless excercise. What the tories actually need to do is to re-introduce free town centre parking so people can actually go into towns and feel welcome. It is their anti car crap that has pushed people out of towns in the first place. Add to that greedy councils whacking up business rates left right and centre and you see why town centres are dying on their arse.

The two nearest towns with free parking are thriving. The ones without are dying. Seems rather obvious to me what needs to happen!


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Interesting to see that the only course of action would seem to be to introduce further charges on an already hard pushed consumer.

Wouldn't it be nice if the possibility of dropping or even lowering the charges for 'High Street' or town centre parking were considered in order to increase the attraction to shoppers?

Why am I not surprised?

Once again - it's all about the money and how much more of it can be stripped from the populous.
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Is there no end?

Only of the Tories if they espouse policies like these.

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Dear oh dear. I agree entirely that if they really want to solve the problem then they should make parking easier in/near the high street. As usual it's obvious what they should be doing.

But of course both New and Blue Labour seem to have a huge supply of sticks, and absolutely nothing in the way of carrots. It's like they've been on a course entitled "How To Get The Public Offside As Quickly As Possible".

Why can't just one politician be honest for once and say "We're doing this to be anti-car"? Lying and deceit seem to be part and parcel of the campaign against the poor old motor (which rightfully should still be seen as a positive symbol of progress and freedom). So they obviously realise that it has to be dressed up otherwise people won't stand for it. But why are they trying to force unpopular ideas upon us in what is supposed to be a democracy? What happened to them doing what we wanted them to, rather than the other way round?

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Dixie wrote:
The policy review group, which was co-chaired by Zac Goldsmith, the millionaire environmental campaigner, and John Gummer, the former Tory environment secretary, added that the money raised by the new charges would be used by the local authority to fund improved public transport.


This is much more sinister than it seems - it's not a case of supermarkets charging for parking on their own land. It's supermarkets collecting on behalf of the council.

I don't know what the tories are smoking these days but it must be good stuff!!

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Graeme wrote:
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The policy review group, which was co-chaired by Zac Goldsmith, the millionaire environmental campaigner, and John Gummer, the former Tory environment secretary, added that the money raised by the new charges would be used by the local authority to fund improved public transport.


This is much more sinister than it seems - it's not a case of supermarkets charging for parking on their own land. It's supermarkets collecting on behalf of the council.

I don't know what the tories are smoking these days but it must be good stuff!!


Which begs the question. Currently, who owns supermarket car parks, the supermarket or the council? I thought that the supermarket does, but it may be that they only own the building and rent the car park.

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And the supermarkets aren't going to want to do anything that's going to turn customers away, now are they?

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My local council wanted to introduce traffic calming into our town centre to put people off using their cars, they used the excuse it was to improve air quality and CO2 levels. Last week (in the local paper) the council want to knock down houses in the town centre and use the space to build another car park.

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Dixie wrote:
My local council wanted to introduce traffic calming into our town centre to put people off using their cars, they used the excuse it was to improve air quality and CO2 levels. Last week (in the local paper) the council want to knock down houses in the town centre and use the space to build another car park.


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Dixie wrote:
My local council wanted to introduce traffic calming into our town centre to put people off using their cars, they used the excuse it was to improve air quality and CO2 levels. Last week (in the local paper) the council want to knock down houses in the town centre and use the space to build another car park.


:? :? :?


That was my thoughts, and I'll be writing another letter to my local paper :( .

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this subject came up on jeremy vine today. my response was the fact that i dont use town centres due to congestion. even if they introduced out of town fees, it would be cheaper than sitting in traffic all day.

if they want shoppers in town, they need to sort out a decent traffic system and car parks large enough to accommodate shoppers. buses are not always suitable for shopping (unless you fancy buying a 42" LCD tv in comet and taking it home on a bus mr politician person) whether grocery or not. we go shopping once a fortnight (saves petrol) and the rest is bought as and when from the co op round the corner or during my travels at work. smaller items (eg DVDs) are bought online. or had they forgotten about the effect that online shopping has on getting off your arse to go shopping for something that you might not find?

yet more testiculating from the goverment :roll:

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Do you get the impression that the Tories really don't want to win the next election?

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I don't understand why it always seems to fall to me because I own a car to fund a public transport system.

Surly this should fall under general taxation by all.

As far as I'm concerned I contribute enough via my car and where possible I save where I can meaning I stay away from town centres as much as possible. They've lost my vote if they think this is a good idea.


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They had one of the big wigs from Tesco on the BBC news this morning talking about Tesco's pledge to be greener.

They asked him about the Tories' proposal and he made the point that most Tesco stores now have recycling facilities in their carparks, so in a roundabout way, you're charging people to do their recycling. Also he noted that apparently the parking charges were aimed at improving quality of life, which they won't because they'll make the weekly shop more expensive and stressful...

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