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I have found figures for those vehicles of 68.9mpg and 62.8mpg respectively.

BMW 650 GS (a motorcycle) returns 73.5mpg, and the Yamaha YBR125ED will get over 90mpg!

One more tick on the list of things you clearly know nothing about. How do you expect to be taken seriously?

Can get!! when driven/ridden how??

Are these vehicles to be used to and from work, OR just used on the roads FOR THE SAKE OF IT, Thats the real point

OK Safetyman. Let's play it your way. Let's assume that a law is going through Parliament to make using a vehicle 'FOR THE SAKE OF IT' illegal.

Please define 'FOR THE SAKE OF IT'.
Please define 'vehicle'.
Please explain how you will police this new law.

Is driving the kids to school allowed?
If there is a public transport route to work am I allowed to go to work in the car?
How about shopping?

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Hey you started it buddy, you cherry-picked the vehicles you wanted to champion, and the figures I quoted for both cars are the manufacturers' figures for combined mileage, so likely to be the very best possible scenario!

The quoted figure for the BMW bike is likewise a manufacturer's figure, but for the Yamaha it's from riders' reports, in real useage, so the figure from the manufacturer would likely be even higher.

I'm fairly sure that whether a vehicle is on a work journey or a leisure journey it performs pretty much the same!

Perhaps, comrade, we should make lorry journies to deliver anything but bread, milk, meat and potatoes illegal, no sporting goods, no luxury items (incidentally, womens' sanitary products and shoes for adults are currently classed by the government as luxury products, and taxed accordingly) your TV, Hi-Fi, and even the computer you're typing out your ill-conceived drivel on, are not necessities, and so could never have left the factory.

I'm fairly sure that whether a vehicle is on a work journey or a leisure journey it performs pretty much the same!

Thats strange because i am sure when the bikes are ben riden for Liesure purposes hard accelleration fast speeds that they consume more fuel, now the motorcycles I would suggest are FAR FAR more likely to be driven in this way on a weekend than the cars on the way to work.

Do you know how to use the quote function?

Anyway I surprised you are still been given the time of day.

I have had the cpu in my car remapped, to give me a 10% increase in torque and bhp. I did this for my own personal pleasure. As well as the small increase in power one of the side effects is slightly increased fuel economy.

I personal believe you do not like the thought of people just being happy and enjoying themselves.

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No NOT on public roads, this type of thing is for the race track.

Nice diversion effort, but you've lost.

Race track driving is for pleasure! what about the planet?

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Yet the two cars you cherry-picked (oddly though, you cherry-picked two cars that fall into a quite large grouping in the VCA database, completely missing out the only two cars which fall into the higher economy group and which might have made your argument marginally less unsound) are two cars which I, as someone who drives to work in Maidenhead 5 days a week on fairly busy roads (bounded by, and including the, M40-A404-M4), don't see all that many of...

...so perhaps you might want to consider the typical cars that are likely to be seen on the average commuting run (here's a few ideas to get you going: Mondeo, Vectra, BMW 3 series, Mercedes C-class, Megane...) and think about how they compare to a bike ridden hard for fun.


Having done that, you might then also like to ask yourself if hard acceleration is solely the preserve of the motorist out for a leisure drive/ride with no other purpose, or if there could possibly be some commuter motorists who prefer not to drive/ride along trying to eke out the absolute maximum fuel economy from their vehicles and instead attempt to make the most of their daily drag to work by giving it some beans as and when possible.

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Chris

" and use the roads for whatever purpose they like."

and then cry like babies when caught

I see, so rather than even begin to attempt to address any of the relevant points (and there are several) raised since your last contribution to this thread, your response is to skip back almost a week and find something to quote there instead...

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Chris

Quelle surprise

Well, going back to the original proposition.

ISTM that it contains two elements.

First there is the proposition that activities pursued for pleasure/leisure serve no practical purpose and that as a consequence any resources expended on them represent an unnecessary waste!

Second there is the suggestion that any leisure activity that incurs even the tiniest risk of injury or death to oneself and/or others should be prohibited.

Well, lets look at this a little more closely. Proposition #1 has a certain logic to it, but it is the logic of a Poll Pot, Joseph Stalin or Kim IL Sung! The idea that ones life efforts should be totally dedicated to serving the state and that any activities pursued for their own enjoyment represent a waste of resources. You get 8 hours to sleep in, a couple of hours for those irritating, production sapping but unfortunately unavoidable daily chores (eating, defecating and so on) whilst the rest of the time you are expected to either work or watch view-screens which tell you how wonderful your life is.

I mean no family needs more than one room, indeed, why have family accommodation at all! Dormitories are Sooo much more efficient as it is to also have communal bathing/toilet and dining facilities. Oh and forget making food actually taste nice! That’s a REAL waste of resources Meat shall of course be forbidden! We must all eat cold grey “Linda McCartney” yeast slush (heating is unnecessary, a further waste of resources!) and drink plain water! It provides adequate nutrition, what more could you possibly want!

As for proposition #2, it also has certain logic. But why stop at Motorcycles and sports cars! I mean all sporting activates from badminton to rugby incur the risk of personal injury, even death! We must also rule out swimming, skiing, snowboarding, hangliding, off road cycling (and indeed on road cycling-unless, of course, the journey is strictly necessary (as defined by the state). But you mustn’t do it just because it is a nice day) and we definitely must ban any combat sport such as judo, wrestling, fencing, Karate and so on.

There may be one or two places on Earth where the OP might find his utopia and feel at home,

If I might be so bold to suggest that the PRNK might be a good place to start looking. There may also still be some small residues of the Kharma Rouge in existence in the more remote jungles of SE Asia!

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what people chose to do is thier own affair, the difficulty is when they chose to do it in space that I wish to legally occupy and go about MY buisness in.

IF they wish to keep to the law and keep every-one safee I have no objection, If however they put MY safety at risk by speeding and other reckless-ness then I do object.
ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT.

I thought that your original view was that roads should be exempt from this freedom.

Your conflation of these two different things is the underlying flaw in your argument. Everything afterwards is just, well, wrong.

It's as simple as that.

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Well done "gixxer" for your thread about motorcyclists I TOTALLY agree with everything you said as I drive a 44 tonne truck for a living (a job I thoroughly enjoy doing incidentally) and I like nothing better than to get on 2 wheels at the weekend and go for a ride round the countryside and have a nice "blast" on country roads just to get some enjoyment out of owning / riding a m/cycle

As you say we don,t go pumping out mega amounts of pollutants etc. like the cars do (and I do own a Volvo V70) which I use for taking matron to the shops etc. as we haven,t managed the art of carrying 6 or 7 shopping bags on the bike yet .

Also as you say if car drivers took the time to LOOK TWICE before carrying out a manouevre there would be a lot less accidents andif more car drivers went over to m/cycles for work etc. there would be a lot less traffic jams and also less pollution and to rub salt in the wound a DAMN SIGHT LESS TRAFFIC JAMS RESULTING IN GRIDLOCK FOR 5 DAYS A WEEK!

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I've done some research on "gridlock".
In my opinion it is caused by Mr ********* in Kent, who drives everywhere at 19 mph.
This is based on the "butterflies wings fluttering in China causes a whirlwind in Wales"