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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 22:07 
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I could rant on a :soapbox: soapbox.

I could add this to IG's CW Wonder food blog in "Cycling" too. :lol:

But you all must have read the latest.

STOP :stop: press!

Bacon Butties cause cancer.. as do cakes.. wine.. beer.. ham...


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What the hell can I eat then? Life ist gonna kill me. :shock: :shock: :? . what with cycling.. driving.. walking.. industry.. I have no chances of getting a telegram from the Queen or King whoever when I reach 100 years here.

OK .. so sausages have high fat content. Well .. :scratchchin: I buy mine from the local farmer. Proper meat. We will not go into the skin surrounding though :wink:



red meats? Depend on how lean. Lean back bacon has 6g saturated fat. OK.. so drain it. Blot with kitchen towel lightly too. Moderate its fat with tomatoes und mushrooms und courgettes etc.

Sirloin steak? It has just 2 g saturated fat Less than rabbit marginally.

Lean pork.. veal .. liver all red meat but less saturated fat than one think.

Venison. That lowest saturated fat. but folk have sentimentality over Rudolph here :roll:

By the way.. liver.. tongue.. kidneys..offal.. trotters are all very tasty und nutritional too. French understand all this :bow:

Healthy servings? Keep it to 100 g or 4 oz maximum once/twice per week.

But quicky tasty for Paul..

Minced venison (though leanest minced chicken or pork or lamb would do - but venison has almost non-existent saturated fats but does have healthy fats :wink: )

Carrot (chopped}

Parsley (chopped)
1 onion (chopped)

egg white

bulgar wheet (2 oz soaked for half hour und drained)

Mix carrot/onion/parsley/ meats


Cover .. put in fridge for one hour

Form into burgers. Either grill with brush of sunflower or olive oil .. or just fry in pan with these oils :wink:

Nutritious .. healthier than take way. Und you get to put up a Stink Finger to Nanny here too. :rotfl: :wink: :boxedin: :wink:

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I do most of my meat in my George Formby grill, so even fat meat has very little fat in it.
Can't eat MPs brains either, they're all fat, very thick fat.

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http://news.independent.co.uk/health/article3088069.ece

Excellent stuff - thoroughly demolishes the "obesity epidemic" scare.

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The Independent wrote:
Such a response might make sense if there really was an epidemic rise in obesity. In fact, the claims about the UK and US obesity "epidemics" are wildly exaggerated and – more seriously – deliberately skewed.

Politicians have been taken in by a cottage industry that has developed around the obesity crusade; an industry that consists of a wide range of groups, from public-health bureaucrats to big business, including the pharmaceutical industry.

These organisations and individuals, with their need for ever-greater empires and funding, know only too well that warning of impending disaster captures the Government's attention.


Extremely interesting. Now just substitute 'man-made global warming' for 'obesity' in the above.....

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Dratsabasti wrote:
I do most of my meat in my George Formby grill, so even fat meat has very little fat in it.
Can't eat MPs brains either, they're all fat, very thick fat.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Do you play a little tune on your ukulele while it's cooking? :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Mmmh! OK ...........PIGS are BAD!


So......


The Danes should ALL be dead by the age of 42. and the Jews and followers of Islam should live forever.....


Two ra'....er no, make the that three rashers please!............. :lol:


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I watch my salt intake, and at home we use LoSalt - a reduced sodium alternative which cuts sodium by 70% over normal salt. I therefore dislike these ridiculous media outbursts which make nonsense of proper scientific research and scare the population for no better reason than to sell their service!

It's worth noting that water is an essential part of our diet - 3 litres a day I'm told.
However too much is bad for you, and it's also extremely dangerous if not handled correctly.
If a group of fit people were immersed in a bucket of water head first, one at a time for long enough, they could ALL drown!!

By the way, a group of us were thinking of abseiling down a tall building to raise money for Children in Need, but we have now decided on a different death defying stunt - we will visit Wilfs Cafe in Staveley Mill Yard and eat bacon butties in relays all morning - without the aid of a safety net! Would you care to join us?

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From todays Sunday Times (good to see John Adams mentioned!)
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From The Sunday Times
November 4, 2007

Hold the muesli – you might fancy playing bacon roulette
Eat up, an abstemious life won’t cut the risk of cancer by much

Steve Farrar

Suddenly, Sundays do not feel quite so innocent. That bacon you had for breakfast, the roast dinner, the shared bottle of wine, even the urge to stretch out on the sofa – it all now carries a menacing overtone. For although we have been told many times before that the lifestyle so many Britons enjoy might ultimately be our undoing, now we know – we risk cancer unless we change our ways.

Last week’s report by the World Cancer Research Fund brings together the conclusions of 7,000 scientific studies and then makes 10 recommendations for individual changes to minimise risk. In its 537 pages, cancer is revealed to be, to a large degree, a preventable disease. It states that lifestyle could account for a third of all cases, making it the most significant factor after smoking. Given that, in 2005, 153,491 people died of the disease in the UK, that works out as a lot of avoidable suffering.

But the report delivers a puritan prescription for health: 30 minutes of vigorous exercise each day and a commitment to become lean. Little red meat and absolutely no processed meats such as bacon or ham. Little alcohol. No sugary drinks. No fast food. And don’t look to a super-food or dietary supplement to save your skin – this is going to require sacrifice and willpower.

The report’s insistence that we purge ourselves of corrupting influences has to be put in context, however. Take one of the most striking recommendations: that bacon, ham and other processed meats be avoided as there is convincing evidence they increase the risk of bowel cancer. This conclusion is based on 58 studies, 56 of which show a connection. The analysis reveals that someone who eats 50g of bacon a day has a 21% increased risk of getting bowel cancer.

The disease was diagnosed in 36,100 people in the UK in 2004 and 16,092 died from it in 2005. It accounts for 13% of all cancers. But dig into the figures a little deeper and it does not sound quite so gloomy. Only 60 people out of 100,000 are diagnosed with the disease – that is a 0.06% chance of getting bowel cancer each year. For the lover of bacon, with their 21% increased risk, that still only works out at 0.07%. Hold the muesli.

The report’s authority comes from its thoroughness. For five years, 221 experts based in universities and institutions around the world, analysed 7,000 academic papers dating back to the 1960s. A 21-strong panel of leading researchers then drew scientific conclusions from this evidence before agreeing a series of recommendations on minimising the risks.
The starkest recommendations concern weight. The report concludes that there was convincing evidence that excess fat raises the risk of cancer. “Maintenance of a healthy weight throughout life may be one of the most important ways to protect against cancer,” it says.

Accordingly, its recommendations are uncompromising. It is no longer enough to avoid becoming overweight – to reduce the risk of cancer, you now have to be lean. The scientists call for a body mass index (weight in kilograms divided by height in metres squared) at the lower end of the healthy range of between 18.5 and 25. They warn that the sedentary life of many people puts them at risk and recommend 30 minutes of vigorous or 60 minutes of moderate exercise to reduce the risk. “All forms of physical activity protect against some cancers,” they say.

There is, the report declares, no safe level of alcohol. But while it finds convincing evidence that drink increases the risk of cancer, it stops short of recommending abstinence. Sir Michael Marmot, professor of epidemiology and public health at University College London and chairman of the report’s review panel, says that while the risk factors are also broadly applicable to heart disease, alcohol is the one exception.
“From the point of view of cancer prevention, the best level of alcohol consumption is zero,” he says. “This is not the case for cardio-vascular disease, where the evidence suggests that one or two drinks a day are protective.” In a solitary instance of compromise, the report recommends no more than two drinks a day for men, one for women.

Drinks with added sugar are out and even fruit juice limited to a glass a day. Consumption of coffee is declared as unlikely to be a problem while milk probably decreases the risk of bowel cancer, although too much calcium increases the risk of prostate cancer.

While red meat has a convincing link to bowel cancer, the report suggests that – unlike bacon and ham – it can be a valuable source of nutrients and so allows up to 500g a week. Processed, convenience and fast food should be avoided as should anything smoked, grilled or barbecued, which increase the risk of stomach cancer.

The report recommends at least five portions of different-coloured, nonstarchy vegetables and fruits a day . “These, and not foods of animal origin, are the recommended centre for everyday meals,” the report unsurprisingly concludes.

This spartan existence might seem rather extreme. But it would be a mistake to regard the report as a rulebook for life, says Lesley Walker, Cancer Research UK’s director of cancer information.
“If you wanted to minimise your chances of dying in a road accident, you might choose never to drive a car, never to travel on a public highway or even never to walk down your local high street,” she says.

“The report has come up with a series of recommendations that, if followed, would reduce the risk of cancers related to excess weight. It is not telling people what to do; it is assessing risk and suggesting how individuals could choose to minimise it.”

John Adams, emeritus professor and an authority on risk at University College London, having now analysed the absolute risk of getting bowel cancer, declares he has every intention of continuing with his existing diet. “I actually found the report reassuring,” he says. “But I won’t be eating bacon – I prefer a juicy steak.”


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Wildcat wrote:
Sirloin steak? It has just 2 g saturated fat Less than rabbit marginally


There was a documented case where some men were left to fend for themselves, may have been a crash or something, where they ate solely rabbit. As the rabbit doesn't contain enough of the right fat, they ended up with severe malnutrition.

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Extremely interesting. Now just substitute 'man-made global warming' for 'obesity' in the above.....


The minister that released this report actually said that the obesity epedemic was a worse threat than global warming.

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R1Nut wrote:
There was a documented case where some men were left to fend for themselves, may have been a crash or something, where they ate solely rabbit. As the rabbit doesn't contain enough of the right fat, they ended up with severe malnutrition.

Trappers in Canada wasn't it? There is plenty of protein in the meat but a diet of solely rabbit meat was deficient in some vitamins and minerals.


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Icandoit wrote:
R1Nut wrote:
There was a documented case where some men were left to fend for themselves, may have been a crash or something, where they ate solely rabbit. As the rabbit doesn't contain enough of the right fat, they ended up with severe malnutrition.

Trappers in Canada wasn't it? There is plenty of protein in the meat but a diet of solely rabbit meat was deficient in some vitamins and minerals.


Possibly, I read and watch a great variety of material that I forget exact details.

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So basically, everything you do causes cancer.

Oh well, I'm going to get cancer then.

There was an interesting programme on Radio 4 a while back that argued that cancer was a natural part of the ageing process once you reach about 50 or so. The only reason so many people are diagnosed with cancer these days is because we are so good at diagnosing it when previously the problems would have been put down to "old age". They claim the only significantly worrying kind of cancer is the kind that attacks prematurely and rapidly. The rest usually aren't even worth treating, just keep an eye on them every month or so to check they don't turn into the bad kind.

If this is true, then no-wonder they are finding cancer in anything and everything. It's because all the research subjects were going to get cancer anyway.


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